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we dont need USMMA

tlswogh89tlswogh89 28 replies62 threads Junior Member
We don't really need Kings Point. I think we should get rid of it. Here is why. People go to Kings Point b/c they want to be officers in Armed Forces (e.g Navy, Army, Air Force, and Coast Guard). Why Don't they just go to Service Academies or do ROTC? Because they are not good enough to make into those. Also, people want to sail. However, there are 7 maritime schools in the U.S. When I think about it, U.S are spending our people's taxes on useless school. I bet U.S will not have problem if we get rid of KP. No one knows about that school anyways. If u wanna be an officer, go to naval, air force, military academies. Or simply do ROTC.
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  • IBfootballerIBfootballer 2220 replies30 threads Senior Member

    maybe it's because you want to be a merchant mariner.

    why have west point when we have places like VMI?
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  • tlswogh89tlswogh89 28 replies62 threads Junior Member
    Just let you know IBfootballer, I go to kings point, and I dislike it.
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  • is2day4himis2day4him 427 replies15 threads Member
    you're also a plebe that hasn't seen the benefits of this school.

    plain and simple tls, you're a moron. have you been to sea? no. have you experienced the great satisfaction of being able to go home and show that you're competent to do things most of your peers can't? nope.
    until you know what you're talking about, please be quiet.
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  • SeaKid011SeaKid011 55 replies21 threads Junior Member
    if you hate it so much why are you there? Also I dont think the country would be better off by getting rid of a school. Its not schools that are drowning the country into an abyss of debt. If anything the return is pretty good. Anyways I'm going to be at KP in about 17 days didn't you no what you were getting into?
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  • KP2009KP2009 66 replies3 threads Junior Member
    tls maybe you should just quit if u hate it so much. save us all the trouble
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  • suzannegrasuzannegra 969 replies47 threads Senior Member
    KP2009, as you know, tls most likely won't ever see graduation. My guess is he's been in trouble since he started, most likely on restriction, and is struggling with academics. It's too bad. There are always a few rotten apples in the bag.

    Is2day you made some great observations, unfortunately I don't think anything will change this child's mind. It is just sad because he took someone's spot that really wants to be at KP.
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  • SeaScoutSeaScout 58 replies1 threads Junior Member
    TLS, you look like 2 yr. old throwing a temper tantrum. It's simple leave. It's your life tls. Don't torture yourself. KP isn't for everyone. It won't change for you. USMMA has made a name for itself as a institution that produces top qualitity officers that serve the nation and the martitme industry for almost 70 yrs. So maybe you should look in the mirror instead of playing the blame game. I hope you find a path that takes you were you want. Good Luck!
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  • USMMA2009USMMA2009 213 replies2 threads Junior Member

    You really are an idiot. Obviously you had some sort of traumatic experience here, or simply can't just hack it. Also, you being a plebe with your infinite wisdom seem to have this school figured out. You make all of these ridiculous comments that have no basis on any sort of truth. For example:

    1. Many people, including myself, applied to and were accepted to other service academies. Some simply wanted to come here for a variety of reason, especially for the flexibility of service.

    2. Although there are 5 other maritime schools, not everyone graduates as a licensed officer. Great Lakes maritime graduate less than 40 students a year, and about half of SUNY Maritime actually participate in their regimental program for to get their license.

    3. Many students from the other maritime schools that do participate in the regiment (to get their license) also are part of the USNR/MMR program, and the govt. subsidizes a considerable portion of their education. Also, all of those schools have ships that are paid for by MARAD, including costs for fuel, upkeep and operations. The taxpayers are paying for their education as well.

    4. Even though the deep sea fleet is not getting any bigger, the brown water industry is expanding rapidly (was, at least before the recession). KP is helping to fill that void of licensed operators. Also, there are many foreign flag LNG companies that KPers and other licensed graduates are crewing on (like myself, at least until I start Army training).

    I could go on and on. You are way to ignorant and naive to realize the importance and value of this education. You have no idea what sea is like. You haven't networked and met powerful alumni.

    As my parting gift to this school, I am sending a mass email to all users indicating what you said. You better hope that they don't figure out who you are, but I think I have a pretty good idea. I suggest that you quit now because KP, the industry and the military have no use for some worthless garbage like yourself.
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  • zonkerzonker 444 replies19 threads Member
    Ahh. TLS. I understand your motivation. Third Trimester grades have just been posted.
    We all wish you well at your next university.
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  • IBfootballerIBfootballer 2220 replies30 threads Senior Member
    You guys are just being angry at him because he thinks the school isn't worth it, not because it's wrong. I'm not exactly an authority on the academy, but I do think it's worth it to have an academy that trains merchant sailors who can safely navigate vessels and serve in convoys in time of war.

    and why have an academy?

    for the same reason we have all other military academies.
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  • HopefulUSMMAswimHopefulUSMMAswim 12 replies3 threads New Member
    Go to TLS's profile and view his older posts.

    TLS, about a year ago, you were asking questions and having high hopes for USMMA. Not only that but, in a thread entitled, "If you had a full scholarship to any college, where would you go?" you replied, "United States Merchant Marine Academy". Now look where you are. A year later, you are bashing a service academy that you claim shouldn't exist. Its sad to see someone's attitude change drastically in a couple months. Maybe KP wasn't the right fit for you and just as zonker said, farewell at the next university you attend.
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  • gfred51gfred51 10 replies1 threads New Member
    As I recall, 450 started in July 1947 and only 173 graduated four years later. I suggest this child quit right now and maybe start over in junior college.
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  • KPMarineopsdadKPMarineopsdad 229 replies1 threads Junior Member
    I hate to "pile on " here but TLS it was obvious from your very first post that you had no idea what you were getting yourself into. Furthermore, every attempt to set you straight made by people on this board was unsuccessful. I told you when you were still an applicant that if you went to KP with the wrong attitude that place would eat you alive. I hate to say "I told you so" but...............
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  • suzannegrasuzannegra 969 replies47 threads Senior Member
    Found this old post thanks to Zonker--TLSWOG posted this December 08.

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  • cjcatlcjcatl 141 replies3 threads Junior Member
    yikes...son...please back up and take a few moments to realize..the usmma was not right for you...and get over it...obviously you had the potential....but not for any academy...take what you have learned and go forward...
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  • zonkerzonker 444 replies19 threads Member
    "Just let you know IBfootballer, I go to Kings Point, and ..."
    just does not square honestly with
    "I currently resigned from U.S Merchant Marine Academy".
    Apparently, you haven't gone to USMMA for over 7 months?!? It sounds like you didn't make it through your first Trimester. Why post now?
    "...besides the academic reasons. is it hard to get set back or disenrolled? ..."
    followed less than two months later by
    "I know plebes were caught ... and they have executive board tomorrow. Do you think they are going to get disenrolled?
    Well, dang. I suspect you found a way.

    Look folks, if you are planning on going to ANY service academy, you need to bring your "A"-game, especially for honesty and integrity.

    You ARE going to be staring directly into your own strengths and weaknesses, brought to the surface in a pressure cooker. For some, it's not what they want. That's ok. It's not for everyone.

    I have respect for those that measure themselves honestly and decide service is not what they want (most don't even get THAT far).
    I have LOTS of respect and admiration for those who wear that service in their hearts, and express it by graduating and fulfilling their obligation;
    and TONS of respect for those who make it their career.

    By no means is getting accepted at any service academy easy.
    It's tough.
    It's meant to be.
    But IF you have bumps or hardships in your past, make sure you honestly acknowledge them.. and what you have learned from them. Look in the mirror at yourself.
    If you haven't learned to take responsibility for your actions, DON'T GO!
    You're not ready, yet.

    Deception should not be a way of life, and completely undermines the core values required for teamwork...
    "what if i drive only with my driver's permit and get caught by the police, are they going to notify my colleges that i have been accepted into?"
    "how unlucky you have to be in order for admissions to rescind ones acceptance?"
    -- to which Is2Day had excellent advice, and Luigi59's words seem prophetic
    Luigi59 wrote:
    "It has nothing to do with being unlucky (unless you believe that getting caught is the 'unlucky' part)."
    "Do I need to use my college transcript even though I do not want to transfer any of my credits? ... If I do apply with my high school transcript, what are the odds that they are going to find out?"

    Why apply to ROTC programs, ultimately to join a military branch whose core values include Honesty/Integrity/Personal Responsibility, when you are evading the truth on an application? Some (granted HARD) lessons have yet to be learned. DON'T falsify your application... the only person you are really deceiving is yourself, and you are taking a valuable slot for someone else who REALLY wanted to be there.

    For ANYONE considering an academy path/ROTC/or any other path to service, stand up and assess what YOU really want to do -- not what you think others want you to do, not what your parents want you to do, not what you think would look cool to be from.
    Follow what is in your heart.

    And the best of luck to those who decide to test their mettle.

    Don't be known as 'That Lying Student WithOut Genuine Honor"

    Heck, even hard knocks teach us something about ourselves, if we are willing to own the lesson.

    USMMA Motto: "Acta , non verba" (deeds, not words). They really mean it.
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  • SeaKid011SeaKid011 55 replies21 threads Junior Member
    well said and researched zonker. This kid is all over the map...WOO 2 weeks!!!
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  • MG2013MomMG2013Mom 32 replies0 threads Junior Member
    ditto well said zonker. TLS is probably having 2nd or third thoughts and can not or will not accept any responsibilty. Hopefully he will not presue the military I don't think I want him watching my kids back. Thinking about lying on applications, asking about getting caught. If you don't do the crime you don't have to worry about serving the time or paying the fine. I hope TLS finds his way and becomes truthful with himself and others.
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  • GasdocGasdoc 494 replies158 threads Member
    tls - Out here in the real word any gap in a resume or CV has to be accounted for. I seriously doubt you'll be able to get by with a "do over."
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  • suzannegrasuzannegra 969 replies47 threads Senior Member
    You are my hero Zonker :)
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