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***Official Thread for 2016 BSMD applicants***

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Replies to: ***Official Thread for 2016 BSMD applicants***

  • StudyAndParty26StudyAndParty26 Registered User Posts: 13 New Member
    @dkistheway your profile looks pretty sweet. I would build up some more medical experiences though. With a little more shadowing and hospital volunteering or another medical experience you should be a very competitive candidate
  • jhgongjhgong Registered User Posts: 270 Junior Member
    @StudyAndParty26

    Could you tell how mine looks like?

    SAT I (breakdown): 2260(660R, 800M, 800W, 10E)
    ACT (breakdown): 34C superscore (33E, 35M, 31R, 35S)
    SAT II: 800 on Chem, Physics, and Math IC, IIC 770 on Bio M
    Unweighted GPA: 4.00 (4.42 W)
    Rank (percentile if rank is unavailable): no rank (probably 1/82 though)
    AP (place score in parenthesis):
    Chem(5), Calc AB (5), Calc BC (5), APUSH (5), AP Bio(5)
    IB (place score in parenthesis): N/A
    Senior Year Course Load: APES, Organic Chem, Biochem, AP Lit, Linear Algebra, Differential Equation
    Major Awards (USAMO, Intel etc.): 2015 Team Alpha Theta (Chemistry Olympiad top 20),
    2013 USAJMO Qualifier,
    145.5 on 2014 AMC 10A,
    10 on 2015 AIME,
    4th in one event for 2013 Science Olympiad Nationals, …
    (I also have stuffs like National Spanish Exam Bronze)

    Extracurriculars (place leadership in parenthesis):
    HOSA(Founder,President-3yrs),
    Research(300+hours this year/400+ hours this upcoming summer),
    Science Olympiad(5yrs, President as a senior),
    Math Team(5yrs, President as a senior),
    Bowling League(Average200-5yrs),
    Mu Alpha Theta(4yrs, President as a senior),
    Beta Club(3yrs, Treasurer as a junior),
    Ambassador(4yrs),
    Varsity Soccer(3yrs)

    Job/Work Experience:

    Volunteer/Community service:
    Hospital Volunteer
    Started 1,000 paper crane project and made it a statewide service project for Alabama HOSA

    Summer Activities
    Chem Olympiad Study Camp(2015)
    University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute Academy (2015 - 400+ hrs research)
    National Beta Convention (2014)
    ARML Alabama Team (2012-2015)

    Additional Rec: Probably get it from a researcher who loves me from the University of South Alabama Cancer Institute
    Ethnicity: Asian
    Gender: M
    Income Bracket: ~80k
    Hooks (URM, first generation college, etc.): Competitions?/ Rural Area maybe? (from AL)
  • narkornarkor Registered User Posts: 112 Junior Member
    2016 applicant: What are the chances of a BS/MD. Please suggest schools to apply to.

    GPA-4.0 unweighted
    Top 6% of class (large suburban school)
    SAT- R-750, M-680, W-650 (2 attempts superstore)
    SAT 2- M1-680; M2-680; C-640
    ACT- 32 composite (R-33, M-34, E-31, S-31, W-29)
    AP- Eng:5, AP US his-4, AP Calculus- 5, AP Chem-3- junior year
    ECs- more than 100 hrs of shadowing doctors
    More than 100 hrs of community service and volunteering at old age home
    National honor society, Latin honor society
    Habitat for humanity organization
    HOSA President in Junior and Senior year, HOSA National winner- sophomore year, HOSA National placement- junior year for community service
    Research experience at a university (2 summers) and top cancer cente
    Winner at Regional science fair- freshman, sophomore and junior year
    Represented at State science fair- Freshman, sophomore and junior year
    STEM camp-2 summers
    Health museum and new cell lab award winner (health museum camp scholarship)
    Piano player (8 years); All state pianist- both solo and ensemble
    Marching band- 4 years (district and all state band flute player)
    Piano teaching Experience for children

    Any input or suggestions will help.
  • tunethedaytunetheday Registered User Posts: 78 Junior Member
    What BS/MD programs outside of the top ones (HPME PLME Pitt) have good rates of students achieving the top residencies after med school?
  • TXbsmd2016TXbsmd2016 Registered User Posts: 8 New Member
    Kindly help me shortlisting the programs.

    My stats:
    SAT : 2360 (CR-800, M-760, W-800)
    SAT Subject : Math2-790; Chem-750 (taking it again in October)
    APs: WHAP (4), STATS(4), APUSH(5), Chem(4), Eng Lang(5), Physics (3), Cal AB(5), Seminar(5)
    So 4 APs with 5, 3 APs with 4, 1 AP with 3.
    Senior year AP: Cal BC, Eng Lit, Biology, Research, Gov/Econ

    Volunteer hours: 700+ (Hospital hours: 150);

    Class rank: Top 6%
    GPA: Weighted 4.56

    Research hours: 500+ (including at a cancer center)
    Started a club and position on another club.
    Asian Indian Male.

    Thank you for taking time to read and respond!!
  • dblazerdblazer Registered User Posts: 2,187 Senior Member
    @jhong you have some very impressive math/science talent and otherwise check all the boxes (with a slight knock against your standardized testing). I think you could be competitive for some of the top tiers like NW HPME, Pitt, Rice/Baylor, and everything below for the most part. You can probably land a few ivies as well with those achievements.

    @narkor You're standardized testing is certainly on the lower end for these programs, which usually have a lower end cutoff around 2100. Look into some lower-tier programs along the lines of Drexel, Albany, VCU, and some regional ones (NJ, FL, TX, OH have a few). Here's a full list: http://www.ivyplanners.com/documents/BS-MD-IvyPlanners.pdf. You can apply to some better programs if you want but just realize that it could be an uphill battle.

    @tunetheday it's no coincidence that the top research ranked med schools would be the ones to send its students to the best residencies. The USNWR rankings correlate fairly well but there are some exceptions for specific specialties. For example, Miami and Jefferson have the #1 and #2 eye institutes (Jeff also has top 10 ortho) in the nation so med students who go to those schools have a plethora of research opps. and well-recognized mentors to help the students match into good ophtho programs.

    @TXbsmd2016 You look like you could be competitive for some 'mid-tier' programs like Miami/BU/Jeff and below because of your scores. ECs would have stand out more for me to endorse you for the top tiers. Certainly apply to some of the texas programs since it seems like there's quite few.
  • jhgongjhgong Registered User Posts: 270 Junior Member
    edited July 2015
    @dblazer Thank you for your encouragement! My top choices right not are UPitt, NW HPME, and Brown PLME. I am currently doing research and will be publishing it soon so hopefully this helps me to get in the Pitt program. So do you think if I could raise my ACT/SAT as 35/2300 and write good essays I should be fine for those competitive ones? Also, I am just wondering but would non-ivy schools recognize competitions like chem olympiad, AMC, and AIME stuffs like that? Thank you!
  • jhgongjhgong Registered User Posts: 270 Junior Member
    @narkor If you don't mind living in Alabama, Alabama has two programs that do not have state bias. Look up University of Alabama at Birmingham and University of South Alabama BS/MD programs. The first one is quite hard (5% acceptance, top 30s med school) but the second one is super easy to get in...
  • dblazerdblazer Registered User Posts: 2,187 Senior Member
    @jhgong You're such a math/science-minded person that it's almost excusable that you didn't preform as well in the reading portions of the exam. But if you could hit that benchmark in either test, it could strengthen your app a little. So I recommend re-taking, but only if it would not be a significant burden with your other obligations. And you might be right that lower tier schools might not be able to appreciate those awards as much since they don't receive too many apps with them, but I think they would be able to gather enough to understand. If you really want to make sure, you could ask your GC to explain it or describe it somewhere in your app.
  • jhgongjhgong Registered User Posts: 270 Junior Member
    @dblazer
    Thank you for such a great advice! I have two more questions...
    1)The paper I am publishing at UPItt. I am submitting to Siemens competition as my last official competition before college. Would getting semi or finalist significantly boast my application? Or would it be a minuscule effect?

    2)When I am listing top 5 awards for CA, should I make it more balanced rather than math/science-oriented? For example, I am quite good at art and will be submitting my portfolio for several schools including Brown, WashU, and NWU. Here is the award list that I might use.
    1. Chem Olympiad Top 20/ USAJMO Qualifier/ Science Olympiad Nationals 4th/5th at National Beta Club On Site Art Competition/Siemens Semi(not sure)
    or
    2. Chem Olympiad Top 20/ USAJMO Qualifier/ Science Olympiad Nationals 4th/ 2 Research Publications/ Siemens Semi
    Which one sounds better? I would do no.1 for Brown PLME and BU SMED since they are more liberal school like, but not sure about schools like UPitt, Case western, and rocchester...
  • TXbsmd2016TXbsmd2016 Registered User Posts: 8 New Member
    @dblazer
    Thank you very much for your response. What other lower tier programs do you suggest.
  • dblazerdblazer Registered User Posts: 2,187 Senior Member
    @jhgong Semifinalist is nice but I think publishing is more impressive. If you reach the finalist level, however, I think that could be a boost.

    you'll want to highlight non-science aspects for PLME and HPME (there are enough BS/MD applicants with science-heavy backgrounds) but I don't know if order is all that important as long as you have room to list everything. These schools will assess for themselves how impressive each accomplishment is regardless of what order you put them in. If you could absolutely only pick 5 though, I would prioritize art > science accomplishment since you have enough of them to go around. So to answer your question, I think you could stick with option #1 for all of them. Having a passion for art/humanities is something that all med schools can appreciate in their applicants. You'll obviously want to mention your publications somewhere though.
  • GoldenRockGoldenRock Registered User Posts: 915 Member
    Help me with chances for BS/MD and suggest which 10-12 programs I should focus. My school has a strict policy to provide recommendations (3-5 max outside common app) and hence I can not apply as many as I want. Not planning to apply HPME, Miami, Howard since their UG office doesn't talk with their medical school and they need docs to be sent 2 times and that will reduce the count twice. Suggest 1-2 top tier reach, 6-10 target and 2-4 safety bottom tier based on my profile and what I have done. Tried & going no where on shadowing and EMT. Not allowed until 18 for EMT and docs keep saying can't shadow without liability insurance in CA. .

    Background: Asian Female
    State: California
    School: Large highly competitive public school
    Class Rank: School doesn't rank
    Un-weighted GPA: 3.92 out of 4.00 (9, 10, 11th)
    UC Un-Weighted GPA: 3.875 (only 10 & 11th)
    UC Weighted: 4.20 (Only 10, 11th & 4 courses cap for weight)
    PSAT: 236 CR – 76 M – 80 W - 80
    SAT (1 sitting): 2300 CR – 740 M – 760 W - 800
    SAT II: Math 2 / Chemistry / Biology - 800 each; Spanish 750
    ACT (1 sitting): Composite 36 Writing 9

    AP Completed in Junior year:
    AP Chemistry 5
    AP Stats 5
    AP Spanish 5
    AP Psychology 5
    AP Computer Science 4

    AP courses planned for Senior Year:
    AP Biology
    AP English Literature
    AP Physics 1
    AP Calculus AB

    Extracurricular Activities:
    Speech club 4 years – incoming President and Officer previous 2 years
    History club 4 years – Co-Founder and President and Officer for all 4 years
    Cross country team – 3 years
    Reporter for school magazine coming year - Journalism class
    Piano 5+ years and completed CA high school certificate
    Participated at state meet for 4 consecutive years and CA state champion & was in National for 1 year in NHD

    Community Service:
    Total 600+ hours
    Service oriented 150+ hours (Built free homes for poor in Mexico / Habitat for Humanity)
    Tutoring 350+ hours(Tutored children who can't afford in all subjects in public library for 1 year)
    Hospital Volunteer 100+ hours (see below)

    Health-Care related Experience:
    Research Assistant in UCB and the research involves investigating developmental mechanisms underlying ADHD (will continue until senior year ends)
    In-patient hospital volunteer in maternity ward (so far 70 hours & will continue until senior year ends)
    Doing UG courses (3 credits) and lab (2 credits) for Introduction to Human Physiology & Lab in UCB this summer.
  • jhgongjhgong Registered User Posts: 270 Junior Member
    @dblazer
    Thank you so much! But I am not much sure about Beta Art competition since it is not "prestiguous" but do you think it will do its job?
  • dblazerdblazer Registered User Posts: 2,187 Senior Member
    @jhgong Never heard about it so wasn't aware whether or not it was less prestigious, but I think it would convey more than another science award. If I remember correctly, the order should be based on what was most meaningful to you which is not necessarily the same as what was the most prestigious. To repeat, however, I don't think order is too big of a deal as long as you are able to list everything which you should be able to (if not as a separate item, at least in the additional info section).

    @GoldenRock I would make every effort to make sure you are not restricted because that rule is absolutely ridiculous. Try talking to someone higher up and do not be afraid to get your parents involved - it's one thing if you're just applying to normal undergrads but BS/MDs have a more involved process and your school needs to be aware of that. You would be missing out on some quality programs that you could be competitive for in HPME and Miami if you don't.

    Top Tier: HPME, UPitt, Rice/Baylor, UCSD, REMS, CWRU, PLME
    Target: PSU/Jeff, Miami, BU, GWU, NJMS, UCONN, UAB, U Cincinnati
    Low Tier: VCU, Drexel, Albany, NEOCOM, Medical College of GA, Temple

    They're a mix of 7/8 year. Maybe missed a few but pick what you like; just so you are aware, public schools tend to have a strong in-state/regional bias so they might not be easy to land from out of state. I think you would be able to get a few interviews from targets/lower tier, but don't feel totally comfortable saying this w/o you having any shadowing experience. See if you have a friend or relative who would not have an issue with letting you observe, otherwise consider explaining why you couldn't.
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