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Barbara Butler and Charles Geyer will join Rice University

Singersmom07Singersmom07 Registered User Posts: 4,074 Senior Member
edited September 2012 in Music Major
Acclaimed trumpet pedagogues Barbara Butler and Charles Geyer will join Rice University’s Shepherd School of Music in July 2013.

Butler and Geyer have been professors of trumpet at Northwestern University's Bienen School of Music since 1998 and held the same positions for 18 years with the University of Rochester’s Eastman School of Music.
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Replies to: Barbara Butler and Charles Geyer will join Rice University

  • jazzydocjazzydoc Registered User Posts: 13 New Member
    There had been rumors for some months. NU took 5 trumpet students this year, I doubt they knew they would only get Butler/Geyer for 1 year. I'm so glad my son turned down NU last year! Both CIM and NEC offered him lots of scholarship $$, at NU it was minimal. What a major disappointment to those kids borrowing all that money to study with Butler/Geyer, who now will not be able to. (My son took the $$ and will graduate with no debt.)
  • Mezzo'sMamaMezzo'sMama Forum Champion Music Major Posts: 3,559 Forum Champion
    jazzydoc- It's a fact of life, teachers move around and students either move if they're able, or make the best of a new situation if they can't. My D attends CIM and is one of those having to adapt in her senior year because her teacher left. It's hard when they pick a school based upon a teacher and plans change- if happens when they're seniors there is usually no option but to remain behind and get on with life.
    Your S has a nice financial aid award from CIM (based upon your post in the acceptance thread), but it with just tuition running $40,300 (on campus estimate total is just under 60 grand now) it doesn't cover the entire shot there, so you're still paying a substantial amount one way or another. I just don't want anyone here thinking that CIM gives full ride scholarships, having their kids set their heart on the place and then have their hopes dashed when they find out that the real cost of the school may well keep it out of reach.
  • tuba269tuba269 Registered User Posts: 145 Junior Member
    This is a pretty huge deal. Northwestern has been the studio for orchestral trumpet for a while now.
  • musicohanamusicohana Registered User Posts: 65 Junior Member
    I wondered who they were going to hire. When D was trying to set up a lesson at Rice last year, Marie Speziale went out of her way to have a phone conversation with D rather than just leaving a message that she would be retiring at the end of this next academic year. That integrity really impressed us.

    Great move for Rice. Now, who will move to Northwestern?
  • jazzydocjazzydoc Registered User Posts: 13 New Member
    Mezzo'sMama- so you've had to deal with a teacher leaving also. S girlfriend's sister (a little convoluted) will be following her teacher to Rice (she's a master's student). I know many of the undergraduate students elected not to b/c it would cost them an extra year with the difference in graduation requirements. Doesn't seem fair to me, but what can you do?

    The difference between CIM and NU is that NU gives need based aid, and we got merit aid to CIM (it's actually quite a bit higher than I posted on the acceptance thread, CIM and NEC both raised the aid several times to keep up with each other). He was also able to add another renewable scholarship and earn money playing gigs to lower his cost. At NU that would have reduced the meager amount of aid they were offering him.

    We know several of those kids going to NU who are pretty much paying the entire cost. To pay a quarter million to study there, and then have your special teacher leave, that hurts.
    NU has a pretty big trumpet studio, and it's my understanding they will have a smaller studio at Rice. It will be interesting to see how many will be willing and able to transfer.
  • musicmom84musicmom84 Registered User Posts: 36 Junior Member
    Wow this is a HUGE deal...but what I don't understand is, where does Rice get the cash to attract all of these big name faculty? Paul Kantor, Barbara Paver and now arguably the best best brass teachers in the world. They must have some really dedicated patrons down south...
  • jb1966jb1966 Registered User Posts: 212 Junior Member
    There may also be personal reasons for these teachers making the move. More interesting is what is going on with the viola at NU.
  • fiddlefrogfiddlefrog Registered User Posts: 1,219 Senior Member
    That's an interesting statement about viola -- care to elaborate?

    It's true that when a teacher moves to Rice, it generally means they will work with a smaller number of students than at their previous institution. However, the level of institutional support those students will receive is very great.
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