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NYU Tisch & Steinhardt.....numbers

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  • Notmath1Notmath1 569 replies36 threads Member
    But aren't there less spots (than 400) available becaus ED has taken some?
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  • 19MT9619MT96 9 replies0 threads New Member
    I also think that the high stats required for the 50% weight of academics will prevent some MT applicants from auditioning at NYU, while anyone can hope to get into CMU with outstanding talent and quite mediocre stats.
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  • Notmath1Notmath1 569 replies36 threads Member
    I think the weight of academics also attracts many applicants
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  • soozievtsoozievt 31409 replies372 threads! Senior Member
    edited March 2015
    @soozievt, I used the numbers provided on this thread from the Tisch podcast (or wherever those numbers came from) that are for MT only. They do not include kids applying for or accepted to acting studios. I used 1000 applicants for MT and 60 spots (in reality the ods are even better because I assume Tisch accepts more than 60 to fill those spots).

    @dusing2: OK, so you ARE attempting to state the rate for acceptance for just MT at NYU/Tisch. But you said the admit rate is 16%. Isn't 60 out of 1000 equal to 6%? BTW, I do agree that they accept more than the slots available. I only know that in my D's year, they accepted 80 for 64 slots. So, that would be about a 8% admit rate for the MT studio. Yes the rate is higher to get into ANY studio at Tisch since there are 7 other studios besides the one MT studio. Likewise, at most BFA programs, the acceptance rate for Acting is higher than for MT.
    But aren't there less spots (than 400) available becaus ED has taken some?

    @NotMath1, you have posed this question before on this thread and I attempted to address it. The numbers of applicants for Tisch Drama provided by Chris Andersson would include both RD and ED. Most colleges when providing the number of applicants, give a total of ALL applicants. The number of spots available in all Tisch studios (400) is including for both ED and RD too.

    @dusing2, you mention that one consideration in choosing a BFA in MT program might be the acceptance rate. I feel similarly to @MomCares that I would not weigh that in choosing a BFA program since the admit rate to almost all MT programs is between 2% and 9% and so the differences in acceptance rates are quite negligible. If weighing the "selectivity" of a program, other factors come into play. For example, the overall talent pool at one program may differ than at another program. These things have all been discussed a lot on this forum in the past.

    Also, the criteria for admission at Tisch, for example, differs than at many other BFA programs....such as the academic review counts 50% of the admissions decision and that is not the case at some other BFA in MT programs. This doesn't even include the fact that the academic "bar" at NYU is higher than at many other BFA in MT programs (the university itself has a fairly low acceptance rate). These things all affect the "odds" of admission.

    When my D applied to 8 BFA in MT programs, we thought the odds of getting into any one particular program were very difficult given the low acceptance rates at ALL of them.

    If people want to believe that it is much "easier" to get into NYU/Tisch than other MT programs, so be it. When my D applied, she certainly didn't think of it as the "easier" school on her list....not by a long shot.
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  • uskoolfishuskoolfish 2906 replies50 threads Senior Member
    It's not just that the odds of getting into NYU are based 50% on talent and 50% on academics, it's that the bar for academics is set so high. Oldest D had a 98.6 gpa (top 5%) and a 2130 SAT, so I wasn't worried. However, I really did sweat it for younger D who had a 90.1 gpa and a 2000 SAT. (And she had a very solid 720 V and 35 English score, but lower math stats 610 and 25.) As a matter of fact for younger D we decided to let her to apply ED to up her advantage (although that is not necessarily true) and gave up the chance for her to get any merit money.

    So I do think there is a certain amount of self-selection that is involved that brings down the number of applicants.
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  • Notmath1Notmath1 569 replies36 threads Member
    @soozievt, sorry if I seem dense. And thank you for attempting to explain. I guess I still don't understand the ED thing and how/if it affects the admit numbers. Maybe it doesn't have any effect. At this point, I am dizzy from all these posts. I will just sit back. Thanks!
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  • AlphaScorpiiAlphaScorpii 72 replies1 threads Junior Member
    Dear Future MT Classes, if you expect this thread to be helpful, you are wrong :). Please preserve your sanity and read posts 13, 40 and 78.
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  • Dusing2Dusing2 275 replies12 threads Junior Member
    @soozievt, I have never said that the admit rate for MT at Tisch is 16%. Where did you see that?
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  • soozievtsoozievt 31409 replies372 threads! Senior Member
    edited March 2015
    @Dusing2:

    You asked:
    @soozievt, I have never said that the admit rate for MT at Tisch is 16%. Where did you see that?

    You posted in #91:
    As I said previously, pure numbers, Tisch is much easier. CMU takes about 1 out of every 100 kid that auditions. Michigan takes about 1 out of every 39 kids, CCM takes 1 out of 32, and Tisch takes 1 out of 16.
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  • Dusing2Dusing2 275 replies12 threads Junior Member
    I know what I posted in #91. Where did you see that I said it was 16%. In your post #105 you claimed that I said it was 16%. I have never said that and I would appreciate you getting your facts correct about me!
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  • soozievtsoozievt 31409 replies372 threads! Senior Member
    edited March 2015
    I know what I posted in #91. Where did you see that I said it was 16%. In your post #105 you claimed that I said it was 16%. I have never said that and I would appreciate you getting your facts correct about me!

    @Dusing2, I apologize for misreading your post #91. I was reading it as percentages (which is how most acceptance rates are stated) and I now realize you literally meant 1 out of 16 and I just went to percentages in my mind since that is the common way that acceptances are stated. My apologies. So, I think you meant approx. 6%, which is what I think is a close approximation for the MT studio at Tisch. Sorry for misreading or misinterpreting the way you stated the information.
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  • HCDaughertyHCDaugherty 1 replies0 threads New Member
    I have a question that isn't really related to the acceptance rate.

    I have been reading threads from around 2010 about accepted students getting an email about the accepted students weekend before getting their official acceptance.

    Does anyone know if this still happens??
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  • uskoolfishuskoolfish 2906 replies50 threads Senior Member
    Actually when D applied in 2008, there were post card invites sent to many accepted students regarding accepted students weekend. They seemed to be sent directly by the departments of some schools. I have not heard any mention of post cards (or emails) for several years. I know that some students this year were accepted early and received invites for certain scholarship functions (MLK and Dean's Scholars).
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  • tramsmomtramsmom 453 replies7 threads Member
    edited March 2015
    Its funny though, when you break it down to actual acceptances per applicants, as Dusing2 has, one can see the significant difference between an acceptance rate of 6% and 3% : Taking CCM and NYU as an example, one sees that CCM takes one in 32 applicants, and Tisch, takes one in 16 applicants, or about double the applicants!

    And it is true, the overall talent pool probably does differ between Tisch and others because most applicants don't "self-exclude" based on test scores or family income. Rather, the majority of schools (there are some exceptions which I am sure will be promptly pointed out) give you a chance to showcase your talent first and foremost.
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  • toowonderfultoowonderful 4077 replies68 threads Senior Member
    edited March 2015
    I would make the argument that talent is the prime component at every audition program. It is known that schools which do take grades into consideration (Michigan, NYU, Boston etc) can go to bat and get some "wiggle" for an exceptionally talented kid. I have never heard a story where a BFA program was pressured to take a kid they didn't feel met the talent criteria b/c their grades/scores were so amazing. Talent is always part of the equation- grades sometimes are, sometimes aren't

    Which brings me to another thought- slightly off topic. D has a friend from her high school who is currently holding 8 BFA acceptances. (the family is not a part of this forum) Obvious talent. I worked extensively with this kid on their list of schools, and we had to get creative- b/c grades/scores were NOT there, so we had to make sure all schools chosen were places where that wouldn't matter. (under a 2.0 and under 20 on act). There were a lot of schools, even those not known for intensive academics, that had to be off the radar, and kept the kid away from most of the "big names". Again, this isn't really on point for the overall topic of the thread (differences between Tisch and steinhardt, or the intricacies of NYU as a whole) but it does serve the idea that not all students are a fit for all schools- no matter their talent level or size of class
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  • soozievtsoozievt 31409 replies372 threads! Senior Member
    edited March 2015
    For many many years, the CC MT board has been a kind and supportive environment for like-minded people to share advice and support. It would be really great if it could get back to that!

    @MomCares, I very much agree with your sentiments. I've been on CC for 13 years. The MT Forum, in particular, has been a very supportive and kind environment. Some of the mean-spirited posts this year are very rare to see on the MT Forum and haven't been the case in past years hardly ever. Before this season, it was super rare to see posts on the MT Forum that dissed other members or particular schools. I really hope the board can go back to maintaining the respectful, positive, and supportive environment it always has been until recently. I have gotten a lot of kind and thoughtful messages from others lately who are wishing the same thing. People who have been here a while really don't want to see the tone of this forum change.

    Kum-ba-yah.....(in the spirit of song)
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  • uskoolfishuskoolfish 2906 replies50 threads Senior Member
    I don't know of any audition school who will admit a student who is not talented. I'm not saying that it has never happened in the history of man /womankind...but that if it has, it is the exception and not at all the rule. Yes, academics will get a student into non-audition schools, but not audition ones.

    The way admissions takes place in Steinhardt (and I believe Tisch as well) is that the students are auditioned by the department. A list of those who pass this talent screening is made. At the same time, NYU admissions is screening applicants based on criteria set for each program. This criteria includes test scores, gpa, leadership, EC's, essays, etc...all the things used to admit all applicants of NYU. Depending on the school and program, there may be some variations of what academics meet the criteria for admissions--ie, higher math test scores for Stern, a slightly lower overall SAT score for talent programs.

    So the audition committee of Steinhart (and Tisch) have their list of talented applicants and then they get a list of students that have applied to their program and have been accepted through admissions.

    These two lists are cross-checked by Steinhardt and Tisch. If a student is on the talent list and on the academic list, then it's an easy admit. If a student is on the academic list and not on the talent list...they are automatically rejected. There is no input from admissions anymore even if they are academic stars. The bucks stops here.

    If a student is on the talent list and not accepted academically, the department might try to persuade admissions to take another look. There is a little wiggle room if the music or theatre department really want to go to bat for a particular student, but not much. Lots of talented students are rejected without the academic acceptance. In the end, the student needs to be academically successful at NYU. If they are far below the benchmark that NYU feels it wants to see in successful students, they will not be accepted. But the argument will never go the other way.

    @transmom As you can see, talent does come first and foremost. It's just that academics is another hurdle that must be dealt with.

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