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Orgo 210 and 212

SephirothVIISephirothVII Registered User Posts: 81 Junior Member
edited August 2008 in Northwestern University
I was looking over CAESAR and was wondering about the difference between the two... Is 212 more difficult and which is required for HPME or Pre-Med?
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Replies to: Orgo 210 and 212

  • jonthelinjonthelin Registered User Posts: 246 Junior Member
    Chem 210 is the class required for HPMEs and Pre-Meds. As for 212, I believe it is for chemistry majors.
  • bver100bver100 Registered User Posts: 505 Member
    ISP students also have to take 212.

    And a quick question, are you in HPME? because if you have access to caesar but aren't yet an HPME its not possible to get in the prog.
  • SephirothVIISephirothVII Registered User Posts: 81 Junior Member
    Yes I'm an HPME, but I believe all students have access... the wildcat welcome pamphlet says that students should "practice" registering for courses

    So is Chem 212 the harder course? and both require labs right?
  • bver100bver100 Registered User Posts: 505 Member
    Ok, i just got confused because you asked about HPME and premed, since they're kind of seperate once you matriculate. All students do have access

    212 is harder, the focus is different than 210. From what i've been told, 212 doesnt do the mechanisms but focuses on other things (i have no idea what), while 210 does a lot of mechanisms

    Both classes do have labs, if i remember correctly 1st quarter, 210 students have lab every other week with a partner, 212 students have it every week without a partner. At least, that's what i observed when i was in the class. I think by the end of the year everyone has lab every week.

    Is there a reason you're looking at 212?
  • SephirothVIISephirothVII Registered User Posts: 81 Junior Member
    i was just looking at CAESAR and was curious... So is 212 required for chemistry majors? I'm currently undecided in terms of major but if i decide to do chemistry, is 212 a requireent?
  • bver100bver100 Registered User Posts: 505 Member
    Major Worksheets Based on the 2008-2009

    i just looked at it, it appears that 210 is accepted as well for chem majors. not sure who would need to take it other than isp students
  • jonthelinjonthelin Registered User Posts: 246 Junior Member
    For Orgo 210, there is no longer any lab during first quarter.
  • bver100bver100 Registered User Posts: 505 Member
    @ jonthelin - that's news to me. i'll check up on it. I do know that the lab instructor will be/is in japan, so perhaps because of that theres no lab first quarter. I will assume that this is just an anomaly for this quarter and i'll let you know what i find out
  • SephirothVIISephirothVII Registered User Posts: 81 Junior Member
    I was also curious as to how difficult the placement exam for chemistry was? I took the AP Exam Two Years ago and scored a five, should I bone up on chem before i take it?
  • jonthelinjonthelin Registered User Posts: 246 Junior Member
    the chemistry placement test was very difficult for me and I got a 5 on the AP. In my experience, however, the score you get on the placement isn't very important. If you want to take Organic, they will let you.
  • SephirothVIISephirothVII Registered User Posts: 81 Junior Member
    was the chemistry placement test indicitive of difficulties in orgo because you did not do as well on the placement exam, or did you find yourself in the same positiion as others taking orgo?
  • asdf11asdf11 Registered User Posts: 64 Junior Member
    I did terribly on the chem placement exam, still did orgo freshman year and got an A fall quarter.

    I would only take chem if you think you will do well in it and want a GPA boost as a safety net.
  • bver100bver100 Registered User Posts: 505 Member
    i emailed the lab instructor and this is what he said:
    it's because of the way we are restructuring things with the new chem major. All spectroscopy will be taught in the fall and I will also have the students do molecular modeling, but there are no assigned lab days. All labs will be done in the winter and spring, every week.
    212 will remain the same as in the past.

    I think thats too bad because the first quarter labs are really fun. if you're a bme and they don't change the curric to respond to this, you'll only need to take the first quarter of orgo, which means no labs =[. Though, i do like spectroscopy a good deal
  • asdf11asdf11 Registered User Posts: 64 Junior Member
    but by having labs every week winter and spring, if you take the full sequence you still get the same number of labs. In the past it was every other week for fall and winter, so now it's just condensed.
  • atardecer0atardecer0 Registered User Posts: 136 Junior Member
    @ SephirothVII -- 212 is recommended for chemistry majors. Out of the 40 chem majors in my class last spring, I'd guess about 30 had taken the 212 sequence. I didn't and I wasn't at any disadvantage during the course.

    @ jonthelin - There is no lab fall quarter because the orgo lab instructor, OPP, will be teaching part of the advanced lab course. You may find it easier since first quarter is probably hardest just because you'll take a while to get adjusted to the material and pace.
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