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Jury awards Gibson’s Bakery $11 million against Oberlin College

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  • scholarmescholarme 2674 replies79 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    It all started in 2016, so the students involved have likely all left Oberlin by now - seems a shame that they won't be impacted by their actions. Any tuition increases tp cover it would be on current students for example.
    It remains to be seen if current Oberlin leadership will feel any repercussions.
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  • GnocchiBGnocchiB 2078 replies230 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Wow, this is awful.
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  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston 14679 replies982 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
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    "Scott Wargo, spokesman for Oberlin College, provided the following comment in response to my inquiry: “The College does not have a comment.”"

    This would be hilarious if it were not so sad.

    I wonder if this decision came down during the academic year would there be student protests outside the courthouse?
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  • DoyleBDoyleB 270 replies5 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    The email sent to Oberlin’s alumni association, which continues to insist they did absolutely nothing wrong, will look great on Tuesday when the punitive phase of the trial starts. Hope Oberlin’s checkbook is ready to pay what they owe!
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  • LilacSoulLilacSoul 191 replies4 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    welll.. I don’t think that’s a fair thing to say. My sister graduated from Oberlin and she’s conservative lol.
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  • Gator88NEGator88NE 6432 replies201 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
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    I wonder if Oberlin's refusal to accept any wrong doing on their part, is going to come back and bite then in the punitive damage phase.

    $11 Million is bad enough, but $30 to $40 million? :astonished:

    Even worse? If it impacts freshmen enrollment over the next few years...
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  • Twoin18Twoin18 1509 replies17 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
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    "At that point, everyone has drank the Kool-Aid, and are rather detached from normal reality."

    My guess is they would have been quite happy to lose, if the damages had been $11,000 or even $110,000 instead of $11,000,000. The administration could then have continued to state that they were just supporting students' free speech rights and had done nothing wrong. And the bakery would have gone out of business and disappeared as a point of contention. So as @DoyleB points out, the punitive phase may not go well for them.
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  • doschicosdoschicos 20840 replies216 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
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    The college has already seen a downtick in enrollment/admissions results the past few years which is starting to put some financial pressure on them. More bad press isn't what they need right now, IMO.
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  • Gator88NEGator88NE 6432 replies201 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
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    FYI, The plaintiffs in closing argument asked the jury to award $12.8 million in compensatory damages. They were awarded $11.2 million.
    Here are the details: Allyn W. Gibson was awarded $3 million, David Gibson $5.8 million, Gibson Bros. $2,274,500. Next Tuesday there will be a separate punitive damages hearing which could be a double award (meaning tripling the $11 million to $33 million).


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  • cptofthehousecptofthehouse 29210 replies57 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    I think this whole thing is a danged shame. Those social justice warriors too often jump on cases without looking carefully at the facts and then schools give a knee jerk reaction of support if it fits their views. I was very disappointed with the Duke faculty and that they did not remain impartial in that infamous case.

    In the Oberlin case, some of the support was for the right of students to protest. There were allegations of prior tensions st that bakery from students of color that were also involved. Unfortunately, for the SJWs, the picked the wrong poster children for that issue, if indeed it were true.
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  • Twoin18Twoin18 1509 replies17 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
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    Seems like Copeland has been a vocal critic of the administration's handling of this issue for some time (this appears to be his op-ed that prompted the text mentioned above):
    https://oberlinreview.org/14086/opinions/gibsons-boycott-denies-due-process/

    "...all three defendants pled guilty to attempted theft among other charges and that all three declared, under penalty of perjury, that the actions taken by Gibson’s employees to prevent the attempted theft were “not racially motivated.” It is now abundantly clear that the College’s boycott of Gibson’s was disingenuous and utterly unwarranted."
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  • StJohnnyStJohnny 33 replies0 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    Oberlin Lt. Michael McCloskey said he did not believe that Gibson’s discriminates based on race, but he ordered his officers to do some digging.

    “We looked at arrests for shoplifting at Gibson’s for the past five years to see if there was evidence of racism,” he said. “Since 2011, there have been four robberies at the store, including Aladin, and he was the only black person. There were 40 adults arrested for shoplifting in five years, and 32 were white. There were six black suspects arrested and two Asians, and 33 of the 40 were college students.”

    Of the 40 shopliftings at Gibson's, 32 were whites, 6 were black, and I believe 2 were Asians. Based on what's been disclosed in the media, Gibson's only had white, black, and Asian shoplifters - in almost exact proportion to the local demographics of white, black, and Asian populations. The disclosed information of Gibson's thieves is just too "perfect" in mirroring the local demographics. Were there no Hispanic shoplifters at Gibson's? Or were they just classified as "whites"? I seem to remember there was an S. Cali law enforcement agency that was in the hot water a while back for classifying Hispanics as "whites" to appear non-discriminatory. I am not suggesting anything nefarious on the part of Gibson's - but I am wondering if the Oberlin defense team verified that all 32 whites were, in fact, whites and not Hispanic whites.
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  • Sue22Sue22 6144 replies112 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Most of the shoplifters were Oberlin students and the Oberlin College population is only about 10% Hispanic so it's possible that there just weren't any Hispanic shoplifters arrested.
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  • StJohnnyStJohnny 33 replies0 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    Sue22 Trust - but verify. You can't just assume these things. I believe Hispanics are considered as whites, so they can be classified as whites. Or they are classified as whites and then classified under the subcategory of Hispanics - and reported as whites.

    https://www.kxan.com/news/investigations/texas-troopers-ticketing-hispanics-motorists-as-white/1156475533
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