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Oberlin ex-Pres. "Oberlin needs an intervention. STOP. Pay up, apologize to the Gibsons, reflect.."

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  • hebegebehebegebe 2662 replies37 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Well, the students could protest against her upon returning to campus in the fall. Wouldn’t count on it though.
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  • thibaultthibault 117 replies4 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    You mean protest like this?
    http://www.chroniclet.com/cops-and-courts/2019/05/17/Gibsons-39-family-friend-testifies-in-bakery-39-s-trial-against-Oberlin-College.html

    "Allyn W. Gibson [the grandfather of the Gibson who detained the shoplifter] also talked about the May 2017 incident at his apartment in which he fell and broke his neck, which is the reason he still wears a neck brace and is unable to live on his own anymore.

    "He said that after full day working at the bakery, which testimony has said he worked nearly every day at the bakery even in his late 80s, he went home and fell asleep in a recliner in front of his television. ... About 1 a.m., though, he was awakened by someone pounding on the windows of his apartment. He got up and shouted to tell whoever it was 'I’d be right there.' He went to the front door and opened it, only to see that no one was there, he said.

    "Allyn W. Gibson said there was a car parked right in front of his door with its headlights shining on him. He also said he saw two people sitting in the front seat, but he didn’t recognize the car. The people didn’t get out of the car.

    “ 'I stepped out toward the parking lot toward the car,' Allyn W. Gibson said. 'Then I started thinking, "What are they doing here at 1 a.m.?" '

    "He then decided to go back into the apartment and call the police, but as he took a step back into the apartment, he stumbled, fell and broke his neck. The car then drove away.

    "Attorneys for Gibson’s Bakery have argued that the incident could be related to the student protests and the backlash against the bakery, its employees and the Gibsons. An employee from the bakery also testified Thursday that the tires on her vehicle have been slashed 'several' times while it was parked behind the bakery."

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  • ivycoverivycover 135 replies1 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    Reexamination of the record yields the following gem:

    "We do expect and hope that worst-case scenario won’t come to fruition, given some of the legal options we have available,” he said on the call, citing mitigation in future court hearings, damage caps “and the like.”
    [ http://www.chroniclet.com/Local-News/2019/06/28/Judge-reduces-Gibson-39-s-Bakery-award-to-25-million.html ]

    One could reasonably infer that the future of OC hinges - in part - on "hope".

    Nice business strategy. Kind of like allocating 25% of your retirement to Powerball.

    Are there any adults? This is a sad but oft repeated pattern when those calling the shots have little actual "skin in the game" in high stakes matters requiring a great deal of experience, expertise and sophistication. Might be time to consider a direct performance based incentive for decision makers and implementers.
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  • thibaultthibault 117 replies4 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited July 12
    Ha, good one, Ivy.

    This scandal and OC leaders' behavior are shining a light on some really appalling issues in academe. Much more to see here than just another phony hate crime.

    The problem for parents considering whether to send their kids to OC and other institutions managed, or mismanaged, on the basis of 'hope' is one of risk assessment - specifically, gauging the not insignificant risk that the institution that will control your son or daughter's life for four years is a kind of rogue state that presides over kangaroo courts, star chambers, etc where an unlucky student defendant may find himself or herself staring at ruin.

    For the risk assessing parent, the logic here is like that used by judges who instruct juries that a witness who lies about one matter must be considered as having suspect credibility in every other area.

    College leaders who are incompetent and mendacious in one area of management are very likely to be inept and mendacious in other key areas - such as how they would handle, say, phony allegations against your son or daughter brought by other students or college employees.

    Or how they would handle gross misbehavior by faculty and/or admins against your child. Or how they would handle gross misbehavior by students against the college's most esteemed professors. Or how they manage the college's money, how they hire and promote faculty members, or perform other core duties.
    edited July 12
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  • ivycoverivycover 135 replies1 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    @#24

    There's already a huge conflict between the current implementation of title 9 and customary due process.

    The existence of a negligent and or malevolent administration and the possibility of similarly indiligent or disposed prosecution that might flow from it is an untenable risk.
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  • thibaultthibault 117 replies4 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited July 12
    #25
    What if anything can a parent do about this?
    How are parents and students supposed to mitigate said risk and still ensure students receive an excellent education - without constantly looking over their shoulders?
    edited July 12
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  • ivycoverivycover 135 replies1 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited July 17
  • ivycoverivycover 135 replies1 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    It appears that El Presidente just couldn't quite restrain her impulse to vent until an additional $6.5 million in plaintiff's fees and expenses were finally calculated and awarded. Here's another one of her train wrecks with reality:

    https://www.dispatch.com/opinion/20190717/column-judgment-against-oberlin-college-threatens-free-speech
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  • Mwfan1921Mwfan1921 2056 replies28 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    I am actually surprised Oberlin's president hasn't already been removed from her job. Her post-trial comments have further inflamed an already bad situation.

    It would seem that the trustees would have to hold some employees accountable for this debacle.....which will likely impact application numbers, yield and/or fundraising for at least a few years.
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  • shuttlebusshuttlebus 476 replies1 threadsRegistered User Member
    ^ I can't figure out if she is really this stupid and believes what she is saying or if she knows what she is saying is complete bs, but believes the public is gullible enough to believe her spin.
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  • ivycoverivycover 135 replies1 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    @Mwfan1921

    To the contrary, it appears that Chris Canavan is like minded and with the resources at his disposal (Soros) could the balance of the board be far behind?
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  • parentologistparentologist 158 replies11 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    The future is the end of Oberlin. Already, many paying customers are striking Oberlin off their list. Academically, it has exactly what I want for my kid, but there is no way I'm sending kid there. We have an Oberlin alum in the family - that alum was once an active donor, but they and all their alum friends have stopped giving in protest of the rampantly anti-semitic atmosphere at Oberlin.
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  • ivycoverivycover 135 replies1 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    @parentologist

    The perceived toleration of anti Semitism is insufferable and it has an unintended consequence. Even if you are a well documented friend to Israel and Judaism it is now difficult to express an opinion critical of either.
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  • thibaultthibault 117 replies4 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    Off our list.
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  • thibaultthibault 117 replies4 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    #28 That Op-Ed by Oberlin's current president is breathtakingly offensive. She writes:
    "From its beginning, Oberlin has embodied the twin values that make America distinctive: the central importance of community and a commitment to individual rights. ... this case has been so hard on everybody involved: the plaintiffs, the college and the town itself. It has been hard to see neighbor pitted against neighbor and to see an institution we love caricatured."

    The degree of spin and outright lying is astonishing. The fact is that Oberlin's senior leadership "pitted neighbor" (ie Oberlin ) "against neighbor" (ie the Gibson family) - slandering them deliberately, maliciously, and with not even a cursory effort to determine facts. Oberlin's leadership tried to bully the Gibsons, interfering tortiously in their business, and sought to coerce them into not reporting student shoplifters to law enforcement.

    The attempt to spin these vicious, one-sided, malicious and defamatory attacks as a two-sided, morally neutral dispute is simply disgusting. Oberlin's President then trots out her Big Lie once more:

    "Given our history, Oberlin is no stranger to criticism. But this criticism pales against the dangers of putting short-term political gain ahead of the long-term interest of free speech."

    Again, libel is not free speech. Stop lying.
    She keeps digging - with a coda that is as smarmy as it is ridiculous:

    "... at Oberlin, we will remain a champion of community and that distinctive American virtue of free speech. That’s who we are."

    We know who you are. That's the problem.

    When will Oberlin get the intervention it desperately needs and get rid of these mendacious fools - before they destroy Oberlin?

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  • ivycoverivycover 135 replies1 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited July 18
    @#35

    Indeed.

    How you start with a set of facts and proceed to her version of events is a feat of prestidigitation only previously equaled by Noam Chomsky.
    edited July 18
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  • shuttlebusshuttlebus 476 replies1 threadsRegistered User Member
    edited July 20
    "With interest running at over $4k per day, Oberlin College seeks stay of execution of Gibson’s Bakery $32 million judgment, but doesn’t want to post a bond." (quote from a blog, legal insurrection)

    Gibson's Bakery has filed an opposition to the motion: "There is serious concern about Oberlin's ability to pay this sizable judgment three years from now."
    edited July 20
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  • ivycoverivycover 135 replies1 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    @shuttlebus

    Now the game begins anew.

    OC is currently down $31.5 million (plus the $5 or so million that they now owe there own lawyers).

    OC could now potentially burn through another $5 million in their own appeals legal costs and an equal sum for Gibsons ($5 million) plus another $4 million in post judgement interest.

    $31.5 + $5 + $5 + $5 + $4 = $50,500,00.00

    So OC is willing to risk creating an additional $14 million liability in an appeal that could potentially abate all, part or none of their now current $31.5 million liability.

    A big gamble to be sure but not in the least bit impressive when you're wagering with money other than your own.
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  • writingpumpkin03writingpumpkin03 156 replies6 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    This entire debacle feels like it could've been so easily avoided...
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  • shuttlebusshuttlebus 476 replies1 threadsRegistered User Member
    @ivycover. It is also not just the money they are gambling. They are also gambling with further damage to the institution's reputation.
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