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Callback process?


Replies to: Callback process?

  • FlossyFlossy Registered User Posts: 3,121 Senior Member
    I LOVE the pre-screen concept from the point of view of an auditioner because it allows you to eliminate (or be eliminated from) schools that are not going to be realistic choices in the end, and save tons of travel and wasted energy on extreme long shots. But I can certainly see how passing a pre-screen thus getting your hopes up and traveling to a live audition only to be cut quickly and sent packing would be extremely disheartening. Especially, when the kid next to you who just wandered in is passed on. Do other schools do this? Well, not quite in the way it's been described here. Maybe, they're not as discriminating about who passes as they could be. I don't know. I know students really want the chance to show their stuff in person but sometimes an early NO is better. The numbers also sound kinda crazy. Are 2,000+ really auditioning for Pace? That's about double what we were hearing for top programs.

    Putting up a pre-screen after the fact doesn't serve make if fair so much as it makes me wonder what's the point. It's certainly not pre-screening the way it understand it if you do it post audition.
  • abparentabparent Registered User Posts: 320 Member

    You've read my mind. I've been following this discussion, and it seems this is the argument: for some schools is it worth the risk to just try to do a walkin if the school allows it, and skip the prescreen? Perhaps we'll see a difference next year if we see more students early in the process really try to pin down which schools accept walkins at Unifieds. Since prescreen deadlines are usually early in the year (usually in the fall), some kids might feel it's worth the risk to have 3 or 4 more months under their belt and go for it as a walkin at Unifieds. It will also be interesting to see if more of the prescreen schools eventually go to a no walkin policy at Unifieds. I think that it is rather unlikely, especially for the lesser known programs (not necessarily lesser quality programs) or developing programs to forego the walkins.

    I will say, in the world of CC and Facebook, etc. word travels fast and the reaction of the students and schools will be heard, discussed, argued and passed along and each new year we will most likely see auditioning trends change a bit in reaction to previous experiences. I do think it's grueling on both sides of the audition table actually - for the students and the schools. I always wonder how the auditioning schools manage to do their department jobs at the same time as run oncampus or off site auditions. However, the most vulnerable folks putting out the time, effort and money on an unknown longshot result are the students and their families. Hopefully, we'll eventually see a process that truly creates less angst instead of more for these types of programs. If that can be accomplished, everybody wins at least in some type of peace of mind.
  • monkey13monkey13 Registered User Posts: 1,029 Senior Member
    It would also be interesting to see the statistics (I wonder if any of the schools keep them?) on what percentage of walk-ins get accepted and actually attend the school, versus percentage of kids who apply beforehand, get accepted and actually attend. I know we are in the minority, but my D didn't do ANY walk-ins. She agonized over her list of schools, and came up with a list that she would be happy to attend. I have heard some people say that kids who do walk-ins tend to do better, b/c they have nothing to lose and they are just giving it a try. They didn't have time to over-think things, and they just go in with a good, relaxed attitude. On the other hand, I did see kids at Unifieds trying to do as many walk-ins as possible, with seemingly little regard to whether these were actually schools they would want to attend.

    So I wonder....how many kids end up attending schools that they did a walk-in for, a school that wasn't on their original list? And will this live-prescreen-walk-in thing at Unifieds result in fewer prescreens being submitted and more kids trying to do walk-ins? Seems like a risky approach to me.

    Yes, it must be INCREDIBLY hard for the schools to do all this. But finding talented kids with potential that fit their school is what they live for, so to speak. If I were the head of a MT department, I would do prescreens, and only audition a maximum of 200 or so kids that were admitted through the prescreen. I would then give these kids as much time as possible, including an interview to figure out what their personalities are like. And no, I would not admit walk-ins. There is so much talent out there, these schools could probably fill their classes several times over. So, I would stick to my process and try to be as fair and transparent as possible. (And if I were President of the World, I would cure cancer and stop all hatred and discrimination, and all cruelty to animals. :))
  • prntosomeprntosome Registered User Posts: 175 Junior Member
    What I don't quite understand, and maybe someone can enlighten me, if schools who require prescreening then accept walk ins, how do they decide on who walks in? I mean, with the prescreening they make some sort of determination about what they like (or don't) about the student. How do they know the walk in student is worth their time?
  • FlossyFlossy Registered User Posts: 3,121 Senior Member
    Yes, that's why I'm curious about how discriminating the pre-screen is and is likely why some are so upset. They arrive assuming they have cleared a hurdle only to learn that is perhaps not the case. Like, has anyone been rejected by the pre-screen?

    I don't begrudge any student using any opportunity to be seen. More power to them, and good luck!
  • broadway95broadway95 Registered User Posts: 742 Member
    Monkey13-love the president of the world comment! My D did do walk-ins but they were for schools that were the last to not make her list. They were in contention for a long time but when she had to cut the last 5 or so they went and typically it was because of distance from home and weather(she wants a change of seasons and not heat all the time). She did look at a few others but did not walk in because she knew she would never consider them.
    One that has become a front runner is a walk-in and I know she will be sad if she is not offered a spot.

    Now unlike some of you I don't like pre-screens-I think some people don't come across as well on video. I think one way to avoid that is the schools that make you come to campus. I think they feel if you are interested enough in them you will make the trip. We have a couple of them and the one that is far away we thought long and hard about before applying.
  • hopefulMT2017hopefulMT2017 Registered User Posts: 14 New Member
    I dunno how I feel about the whole walk-in situation. I guess it depends on the true and honest situation; for some it might be procrastination and others it might have just been that they didn't know what they were gonna do with their life or heard about a school really late. you gotta know that not everyone is completely educated on the whole process of schools and auditions and everything, and also that not everyone has been planning for this moment for months or year(s). There are so many moms and parents on here in general that learn everything they can in advance for their child, and that's great, but not every child has that luxury. I personally auditioned and passed the prescreen, and did not get a callback. and I can't lie it is disappointing but I wouldn't deny someone else the chance to audition even if they were a walk-in, because I wouldn't know anything about their situation. I don't know how much sense i'm making but it's just my thoughts.
  • DramamamaSDDramamamaSD Registered User Posts: 47 Junior Member
    hopefulMT2017 --you make a lot of sense!
  • actor12actor12 Registered User Posts: 319 Member
    I didn't do any walk-ins because I had the flu and barely survived the scheduled ones but planned to and think it's fine for a school to offer walk-ins. It makes a lot of sense to try to see everyone, if possible.

    Especially for a program that takes so few they probably can tell pretty quickly who even has a chance.

    The whole pre-screen/post-screen process is a little weird though. Seems more like they just want a video as part of the application rather than actually doing any screening. That okay, but calling it a pre-screen is perhaps not very clear.
  • researchmavenresearchmaven Registered User Posts: 875 Member
    I agree with broadway95 and monkey13. Some people would prefer to be seen in person, rather than by video, and would choose this if they were informed upfront that it was an option. A pre-screen by definition is a screening BEFORE you can be seen. so how can a person have a pre-screen POST-audition? I think things were a bit disorganized at PACE this year since there are many changes going on there. Hopefully, things will get ironed out by next year and provide more consistency.
  • DreaminbigDreaminbig Registered User Posts: 69 Junior Member
    I believe that whatever school my daughter is admitted to, the program will be a match that is meant to be, based not only on her ability, but the type of student/performer that the faculty at that school likes to work with. Every student and every faculty member/program is unique, and not all are going to be a match.

    Perhaps Pace asked for the post screens so that they could compare with prescreen videos when deciding between a few similar applicants. We did walk-ins at other schools and appreciated their willingness to do walk-ins. Those that tried walk-ins at Pace were not guaranteed to be seen at all, those that did prescreens were guaranteed to be seen. Walk-ins are not always available, so for Pace and other schools to open up their open times to students that did not preschedule is gracious.

    As far as fairness, does it really matter in the long run? Pace is going to pick the students that they feel are the best match for their program, period! Programs go thru growing pains and things may not feel fair to some, but just as I teach my four children, life is not fair and equal for all, that's life. These students are headed for a career full of unfairs, they just need to accept it now.

    I feel that Pace has tried hard to look at all who wanted to apply in the best way they could.
  • ClaresMomClaresMom Registered User Posts: 42 Junior Member
    What ticked me off about Pace was the cost to do the pre screen - $75 is one thing if you actually go to an audition. It's another if its that to upload a video for them to come back with a No within days :(
  • OddDadOddDad Registered User Posts: 153 Junior Member
    Sadly it seems that fairness has indeed become a relative concept. Oh well, look at the world around us. Same deal. Still, all schools, not only Pace, should strive for an open and transparent process. If any given school wants the option to audition, interview, or screen any individual at any time during that process, let it do so. Simply, let all concerned know that is part of their policy, at the outset. I believe that is not too much to ask. The walk in process, in my view, is a separate issue. I wholeheartedly support a school's right to allow walk in auditions, unless, of course, they have publicly stated that they will not allow them. There's that fairness issue again! I appreciate everyone's comments...lots of wisdom and common sense on this thread.
  • CallieneCalliene Registered User Posts: 856 Member
    Sheesh, why is everyone picking on Pace? Lots of schools have prescreens but still do walk ins at Unifieds. If you are Pace, and you are in Chicago or wherever and you have scheduled appointments until say, 3pm, and you have a couple extra hours to open up to walk-ins, that is very generous! I mean, they could go out for pizza or wrap it early, but instead they allowed a few more people to be seen. But as the saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished. If your kid is really interested in Pace, you'd be CRAZY to gamble on a live walk-in at Unifieds. What if they fill up with people who passed the prescreen and don't have time? And all schools charge for auditions whether it's a prescreen or not. The fact that the head of MT at Pace saw every one of those prescreens is more than a lot of other schools can say. I just don't get why the anger here is being directed at Pace who is trying to accommodate a humongous number if applicants.
  • PacePerfArtsPacePerfArts Registered User Posts: 35 Junior Member
    Hi everyone,

    A very interesting conversation happening here!

    A couple of things to keep in mind about Acceptd (Audition 1):

    1) We set out to call this Audition 1 (check out our website). The words "pre-screen" do not exist. The term "pre-screen" developed out of how the public came to see this and we learned that there was no way to stop it. The term "pre-screen" didn't sit well with us when deciding to use Acceptd this year. Nonetheless, "pre-screen", seems to be an inescapable terminology and has since seeped into our vocabulary, whether we like it or not.

    2) In order to be fair to every who HAD uploaded through Acceptd for Audition 1 and paid the $75.00 audition fee ($25 as a fee for Acceptd and $50 for Pace), we had to require the few walk-ins we saw during Unifieds to do the exact same. So, no, this was not a "post-screen" (I'm not really sure if that is even a word). This upload does, however, serve our faculty in making decisions, because it captures all information on the candidate and allows for them to re-watch the material as many times as they like throughout the process. Also valuable to the process the fact that many, many candidates got a "No Callback" through Acceptd for one program, and later re-submitted (at no extra charge) to another program where they WERE called back. This should be considered as a valuable element in requiring applicants to complete this audition in advance of an in-person audition.

    3) Acceptd has been hugely beneficial to our process this year because we have an Acceptd profile for EVERY candidate. Our faculty have used this throughout the season and even in the audition room as it contains resumes, letters of recommendation, additional video content, etc. Even if we didn't use is as Audition 1, our faculty now see it as essential to managing a large amount of data on each candidate.

    4) I know a couple of you have brought this up, but we feel the $75 fee is still a better deal than spending the time and money to travel to New York, find hotel accommodations, and spend three to five hours on campus. Yes, we completely acknowledge that, for some, this means they WERE called back and spent all of this money only to find out they weren't passed along to the final round of BFA Acting or BFA Musical Theater auditions. This is tricky - we needed to do the callback within the auditions this year. I don't think we're too different from other institutions who have callback on the day of the audition and, believe me when I say this, it wasn't something we entered into lightly. You can see Amy Rogers' post on this earlier in the thread.

    I hope we can all find some level of resolution in this thread regarding the direction in which our audition process is headed. We have a lot of great information and suggestions which we will take with us when planning for next year!

    Again, thanks for all of your valuable feedback!

    Pace Performing Arts
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