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Anyone experienced with invisible fence for stubborn dog?

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Replies to: Anyone experienced with invisible fence for stubborn dog?

  • vandygrad87vandygrad87 Registered User Posts: 738 Member
    I must be twisted because I just laughed myself silly reading this thread! We have an Invisible fence that we use with our dogs and it works well for them. The problem was us- our dog developed a fear of the car and we couldn't figure out what her problem was.. Until we realized that we were forgetting to take the collar off and every time we backed down or pulled up the driveway, the poor thing was getting zapped. Oh Lord, did we feel guilty about that!
  • cptofthehousecptofthehouse Registered User Posts: 27,917 Senior Member
    Yeah, well we didn't think it was so funny those days and neither did our neighbors as our dog loved to leave his mark with a nice big "Hershey Kiss" on front walks. He also regarded garbage day as the the restaurant tours day. He was an expert of getting out of the house, never mind the yard. We were the joke of the neighborhood because of him. When we were digging to plant flowers, the joke was that we were putting in a moat to keep the dog in the yard.

    Even before the debacle with the two shock fences (one wired, one not), we had tried a physical fence and he could dig right under those. When we got the first invisible fence, he merely turned the collar around to put the prongs on the back of his neck which was well protected. Caught him doing that, so had to pay to get extra prongs put on the collar so no matter how you turned it you had something at the throat.

    He was a Snoopy looking dog and lived for 19 years. He died after escaping our yard here when he was arthritic, diabetic, blind and deaf, his last hurrah. He died as he lived. Oh yes, his final laugh on us was when I called the police to report him missing, and was describing his ailments. There was absolute silence on their end of the line when I answered their question as to what was his name. His name was Lucky.
  • massloumasslou Registered User Posts: 338 Member
    Big fan of invisible fence! Our former dog, a springer spaniel, and current dog, a beagle, have both done very well with it! Rabbits, squirrels, etc sit just on the other side and taunt the little beagle, but she won't take the zap and go over the line!!

    Vandygrad, we load dogs in the car with their collars on and they don't get zapped. I always assumed the rubber tires of the car served as insulation and eliminated the zap. Hmmm....

    I do understand your feelings of guilt, though. I was holding Dog in the yard one day (so she wouldn't bark at the neighbors who were walking in front of the house) and walked too close to the line and dog got a good jolt due to my error....Poor girl....
  • parent56parent56 Registered User Posts: 7,658 Senior Member
    we had one and it kind of worked, most would go through it for a squirrel. One dog though, Tipper, would go through that thing everytime, with a yelp when he got zapped. But he would not come back into the yard once through.. he would sit at the boundary and bark until we came out and took his collar off . a few years of this and one day the county was doing water work and destroyed our perimeter wire.. we never got it fixed, and Tipper would continue to yelp (even though there was no zap) and then refuse to come back through for 5 more years
  • BUandBC82BUandBC82 Registered User Posts: 2,061 Senior Member
    I use the Stubborn Dog Collar on my dog and it works...most of the time. He'll chase squirrels and bunnies right to the edge. He seems to get scared and confused when there are loud sounds...thunder, fireworks, loud hammering from roofing...all those things have caused him to run through the fence. My H thinks he only runs through when I'm not home, thinking maybe he's scared and looking for me. We continue to use the invisible fence, but he stays inside when no one is home. I have the collar on the strongest setting and we use the widest warning area for the perimeter. I've also gone through the fence with the dog in the car, with his collar on, and he hasn't been zapped.

    P56 - Funny story. A friend with a golden retriever told me his dog ran through the fence every night, and every morning the dog was waiting on the other side of the fence to be let back in.
  • DougBetsyDougBetsy Registered User Posts: 5,830 Senior Member
    I love this thread.

    Our black lab is afraid of the invisible fence, but he also knows he needs his collar when he goes outside. He'll bring us the collar to put on him. Or, if he can't reach it, he'll just go stand by it and keep staring at it.
  • anothermom2anothermom2 Registered User Posts: 1,753 Senior Member
    Yes, we have a stubborn dog too. We originally got the electric fence because our yorkie could squeeze out below the chain link fence that we had (and which kept our old lab in just fine - she never got a collar.) In general, she did not like to get zapped, but if she saw something she wanted outside the fence, she had no self control. We moved, and just put in the electric fence. We know it is not going to be 100% effective for the yorkie. We got a new golden retriever, and she got a collar too, but is smart and stays in. However, we also have a fenced in dog run. The collars are for when we are in the yard and can keep an eye on the dogs, and the run if for when we can not. It would not be practical to fence in our current property, so the dog run is a good solution.

    For the funny stories on these fences, the little yorkie learned to be afraid of the flags, so if there is any flag on the street for gas, electric etc. she makes sure not to go near it even when we walk her. We do have to leave some flags on our property because without them, the sound and shock are not enough of a deterrent.
  • CountingDownCountingDown Registered User Posts: 13,398 Senior Member
    We have an Invisible Fence (the brand name one) for our beagle-border collie rescue. We kept the flags up around the perimeter for a good six weeks so she learned the boundaries. Funny, but she never barked til we taught her what was "her" territory! Used the warning buzzer (on the Invisible Fence, it's plastic covers over the prongs) until the trainer came out and took her over the line. Zap! She yelped, ran into the yard, and that was that. Would not go near the fence again.

    She will not go within three feet of the line, and I have to carry her over it if we go for a walk. Lifting her (even with the collar on) does not generate a shock. We have foxes in our neighborhood, and one would sit across the street and torment Kira every night with howling and chasing, but she does not budge.

    Just be sure to change the battery when it arrives in the mail. We had received the new battery but had not replaced it immediately. In the meantime, Kira was caught outside in a thunderstorm (she is VERY storm-phobic), broke through the line in fear (we think the battery had died, too), and wound up 2.5 miles down the road, where she was hit by a car.

    Fortunately a good samaritan, who I believe was the driver, called me and the Humane Society, so there were folks on the scene when I got there. Needed a college fund for the vet bill, but she is back to 99% of her old self (just a tiny bit of residual facial paralysis) and has not broken through the fence since.
  • DougBetsyDougBetsy Registered User Posts: 5,830 Senior Member
    Aww, poor Kira. Glad she made good recovery.
  • roshkeroshke Registered User Posts: 3,123 Senior Member
    In general, I am not a big fan of an invisible fence. For one thing, around here it does not prevent other animals, including other dogs, deer , even the occasional fox etc. from getting in. Also, as others say, if the incentive is great enough most dogs will break through. In fact, I think just about every dog on our street that has one has gotten loose at one time or another.
  • brianmossbrianmoss Registered User Posts: 1 New Member
    I have installed and trained dogs on these electric dog fences for 15 years. I have never had a dog that I could not contain. I have had dogs that were difficult to train but not impossible. Most of the time people have issues with a dog it is because the lack of, rushing or inconsistent training. If your dog just runs through the fence when you are not looking, he does not understand the fence and that is because of the training. Start the training from the beginning, and comment 10 minutes, 2 to 3 times per day. Just be patient and the dog will learn. Electric Dog Fence | Electric Dog Fences | ElectricDogFence.com
  • merlinmerlin Registered User Posts: 283 Junior Member
    I love all the stories!

    Churchmusicmom, we have tried different settings to adjust the range of the warning tone.

    Opera-mom, my sense is that the "logical head" isn't the one doing the thinking when another dog walks by. Most of the time, New Dog remembers the zap and won't leave the center of the yard. Kind of reminds me of how some intoxicated humans are when they have unwise one night stands. lol

    Brianmoss, thanks for the encouragement. I have been training for 5-10 minutes 3-4 times per day. I plan to continue.

    Next attempt at training could be to install a stake with a tether several feet from the drive egress and let New Dog wander in a space where he can easily, but not always, hear the beep and trigger the zap. It is recommended that this go on for two weeks--of course not constantly and only within our sight. I am apprehensive, but H is determined to try it.

    Keep the stories coming!
  • megmnomegmno Registered User Posts: 415 Member
    We did it backwards. We got the invisible fence when our dog kept going over a five foot high wood fence. Even then, we needed to upgrade to the "stubborn dog" model -- she basically ignored the milder collar (DH calls the two models the "collie killer" and the "poodle tickler", respectively.)

    Of course this is a dog that once went through a plate glass picture window in pursuit of a squirrel....
    At almost 11 years old she's still going strong.
  • CountingDownCountingDown Registered User Posts: 13,398 Senior Member
    Kira is only out when someone is home. Our yard was not conducive to fencing, and her foster mom said she scaled 5 ft wood fences. Have NEVER seen that out of her, though she would contort herself to squeeze under a fence if necessary. Most folks in the neighborhood don't fence, either. (Older neighborhood, 1/2 acre lots, most have let their yards remain as forest.)

    Her temperament is well-suited to the invisible fence, and the border collie in her "got" the staking-out-her-territory thing. And yes, we get foxes, deer and groundhogs in the yard, but she starts barking, so we know when there's an intruder alert.
  • MomLiveMomLive Registered User Posts: 2,367 Senior Member
    In fact, I think just about every dog on our street that has one has gotten loose at one time or another.

    I've had the same experience. I'm not against invisible fences in theory but I swear, over the years, every neighbor we've had with an invisible fence has had problems with them.

    If it's hard-wired, someone cut the wire with a weed-eater.
    Batteries go dead and dog is smart enough to figure it out (but the owner's weren't).
    Dog didn't care and blew through it.
    One poor dog's collar malfunctioned and it got shocked repeatedly even though it was out of range (I got to witness that one, very disturbing).

    Right now, my next door neighbor has a Golden on an invisible fence and the dog gets out constantly. Not sure if it runs through the shock or the battery is dead or they forget to turn it on.

    I have no problem with invisible fences but owners need to be diligent about making sure the batteries are fresh and the wiring is intact (assuming you're not using a wireless model) and the darn thing is on.
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