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When people don't vaccinate their kids

sally305sally305 7475 replies129 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
edited January 2014 in Parent Cafe
This year is on track to be the worst for measles in more than a decade, according to new numbers released Thursday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And people who refuse to vaccinate their children are behind the increasing number of outbreaks, health officials say.

U.S. measles cases in 2013 may be most in 17 years - CNN.com
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  • sally305sally305 7475 replies129 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    This is a tough one. Although I respect people's right to do what they think is best for their own families, in this case their choices can have negative effects for countless others.
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  • MomofaKnightMomofaKnight 437 replies14 threadsRegistered User Member
    It was not that long ago that I cared for a child who died from varicella (chicken pox)
    These diseases are not trivial, they can be deadly
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  • sally305sally305 7475 replies129 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    romani, you are right. I was thinking about personal parenting decisions I may disagree with, like what people feed their kids or whether they indoctrinate them into a certain religion.

    NJSue, I think your D's pediatrics practice has it right. Not only is it harder to treat measles than prevent it, every time a non-immunized person comes into the clinic others are put at risk.
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  • momofthreeboysmomofthreeboys 16626 replies66 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    I agree with you intparent and those same people can give you a dozen reasons why they are right and every reliable medical source of truth is wrong. The national news the other night was talking about a whooping cough outbreak in Texas (I believe it was Texas). Whopping cough...something that can or theoretically should be effectively eradicated.
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  • emeraldkity4emeraldkity4 34785 replies1076 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Some people need to be revaccinated.
    Doctor: Some adults should be re-vaccinated for measles | Healthworks | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News
    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control recommends a single dose of the measles vaccine to most people. But, a small portion of people given the shot don’t get immunity from it, and some vaccines given decades ago have since been proven ineffective.

    5% will not be immunized, even with the shot.
    For comparision, consider that fewer of 1% of college students need medical care for overdoing the party.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 77784 replies678 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    intparent wrote:
    Unless there is a specific medical reason not to (eg, allergy to eggs for flu shot, although they solved that one this year), I consider anyone who does not vaccinate to be a freeloader.

    Freeloader may be too kind a description. Disease vector is probably a more accurate one; they increase the risk for people who medically cannot be vaccinated, or whose immune systems do not seroconvert to immunity after vaccination.
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  • TVeneeTVenee 187 replies0 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    I'm very interested in the responses to this. I've got 4 children that range in age from 17 years to 9 months old. During this time the vaccination conversation has gone from vaccinate your kids, to look out vaccines cause Autism so don't vaccinate, but if you do spread them way out, to now with my 9 month old I've seen a fever pitch debate. Some of these diseases are coming back. Nonvaccinators point to data that the cases of these returning diseases are mainly found in people who were vaccinated. If that's the case, what gives.
    All of my kids are vaccinated and one indeed does have high functioning Autism (and no I certainly don't think it was caused by vaccinations). Parents are more confused than ever with this issue. I read through pages and pages of debates on this issue, where both sides site studies, peer reviewed articles, and statistics that strongly back up their position. I just talked to my neighbor, who is a preschool teacher. She said she's never seen so many "religion" waivers for exemption from the immunization requirement from parents. I believe the Dr Wakefield case will never be removed from parents minds. Once it was asserted that Autism was caused by vaccinations, many parents haven't moved past that.
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  • Andi75Andi75 41 replies14 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    Then you should probably be able to read vaccine inserts stating all the possible side effects. You should also be able to read the "studies' (only done by the vaccine industry) which say vaccines aren't harmful and realize they only tested ONE ingredient...mercury, not the dozens of other harmful ingredients in vaccines. You should also be able to read the stories of parents who immediately saw a change in their child like my own who started a seizure disorder THE NIGHT after he received multiple vaccinations and now is ill for life thanks to vaccinations! You should also be able to read books from MDs who point out the coverups and vast amount of medical information pointing to concerns with vaccination. You should also be able to read about how the government made the vaccine industry non-liable for any damage done for vaccination. I could go on and on, but I do not have time for people like you. You have NO IDEA what others suffer and sit on your high horse snubbing your nose at people who are truly suffering. I hope you will atleast try to give people like myself a chance. You could watch some clips from VAXXED on Youtube.
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  • surfcitysurfcity 2511 replies60 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Your claim that vaccine makers cannot be held liable is not accurate. Those claiming injury go through a special channel. Vaccine makers are still held to standards. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022206008.html

    Would you outlaw vaccines?
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  • BayBay 12456 replies43 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Nonvaccinators point to data that the cases of these returning diseases are mainly found in people who were vaccinated.

    I had the pertussis vaccine as a child, but contracted whooping cough a few years ago as an adult. Trust me, you do not want to get this disease. I can understand how people with weaker systems than mine can die from it. Apparently, it has recently been learned (probably from cases like mine) that a booster is needed after so many years.
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  • MomofaKnightMomofaKnight 437 replies14 threadsRegistered User Member
    Egg allergy is no longer a contraindication to vaccination against influenza. Only allergy to flu vaccine is
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  • IcarusIcarus 4305 replies31 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Freeloader may be too kind a description. Disease vector is probably a more accurate one

    Anti-science, Anti-intellectual nutjobs works too :)
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  • MommaJMommaJ 5579 replies189 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    This nonsense will persist until it's stopped by positions like the one taken by the pediatric practice mentioned above--which should be the position of every pediatrician--and the refusal of public schools to admit unvaccinated kids. Those who cite objections based on genuine religious beliefs rather than crackpot anti-vax theories (and it seems like that is a small number) would have to send their kids to a conforming religious school or homeschool. You can't have everything.

    TVenee, while "the vaccination conversation has gone from vaccinate your kids, to look out vaccines cause Autism so don't vaccinate", the medical community never wavered from advocating vaccination. We can't make health decisions based on the latest pop culture fad.
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  • Cardinal FangCardinal Fang 18273 replies157 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Before the pertussis vaccine, a whole lot of babies coughed themselves to death with whooping cough. The death rate for babies under six months of age is 1 in 200, which is horrifyingly high for an epidemic disease, which pertussis will be again if enough stupid people decide not to vaccinate their children.
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