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Boy Scouts accepting girls. Girl Scouts not happy.

doschicosdoschicos Registered User Posts: 14,723 Senior Member
So, this was in the news today. My daughter did Brownies for awhile but very little scouting background in our family. I know many here have been heavily into scouting. What's your take on this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/11/us/boy-scouts-girls.html
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  • Dancingmom518Dancingmom518 Registered User Posts: 71 Junior Member
    edited October 11
    My D did Daisy and Brownie. I was more impressed with what our local Boy Scouts were doing and asked the troop leader if he would consider being a trendsetter and letting a girl in. This was not a trendsetter type of guy, LOL.

    Ah well, he could have been ahead of his time.
  • stardustmomstardustmom Registered User Posts: 192 Junior Member
    We've had several girls join our troop (and pack) on campouts through the years. They were very disappointed with the Girl Scout program, with outings that seemed to them more like sleepovers. They were usually sisters of scouts who saw how much fun their brothers were having. BSA has had a Venture program that is coed and for youth over 14, so this isn't entirely new to them. As @Dancingmom518 stated, leadership is key. Fortunately our troop was progressive, and recognized as BSA now does, that scouting should be family activity.
  • techmom99techmom99 Registered User Posts: 1,869 Senior Member
    I think it's great. We've been a scouting family for 20 years and my 4 sons all got so much from the program. My D did Girl Scouts for a few years, but got bored with selling cookies and doing pedicures. She begged us to get her into boy scouting, but the best we could do was family camping weekends. For the past 6 or 7 years, we've been involved in Venture Scouting, which is a co-ed program for boys and girls ages 14 - 21. I think it's the wave of the future. I think that scouts will integrate from the top down by adding girls at the Tiger and Bear levels first and by turning troops into Venture type crews.

    Scouting is a great program and although it's not perfect, it has made great strides in recent years, with opening up to LGBTQ youth and family and now by going co-ed. The core values that Scouting teaches are things that are important to many families, such as mine. My sons learned self-reliance, team work and cool skills, like cooking in the woods (fondue, chocolate raspberry mousse and teriyaki sirloin, etc.), tying knots, sailing, hiking, they learned to appreciate nature. Two of them had their first jobs as scout camp counselors. They are still friends with boys they went through scouts with and there is a core group of about a dozen or so young men that ranges from a 28 year old that my oldest son met at his alternative HS in 2005 (and who now lives in my rental home) down to S17 and his cohort. These young men socialize, hang out and turn to each other for advice and friendship. The one thing they have in common is scouting. A couple of them even have girlfriends that they met through Venturing (different crews from ours as inter-crew dating is prohibited). I think that co-ed scouting will be even better because boys and girls can interact in a safe and healthy and supervised environment that will permit them to develop healthy relationships.
  • melvin123melvin123 Registered User Posts: 706 Member
    My D did GS for a while. They had a number of programs along the lines of take your daughter to work day and other things to promote women in the workplace. One year my D did GS sleep away camp and besides all the sports they also focused on good nutrition and becoming a healthy woman. I liked the female focus and I think my D did too.
  • doschicosdoschicos Registered User Posts: 14,723 Senior Member
    I think my daughter would have stayed in scouting longer if her troop did more of the outdoorsy things the boys did. The leadership of her troop was locked down by a couple of really girly moms whose idea of an outing and use of troop cookie sale $$ was going to the Vermont Teddy Bear Factory, Ben & Jerry's, and a sleepover, not camping in the woods. The only "camping" the girls did was one night in the troop leader's backyard.
  • doschicosdoschicos Registered User Posts: 14,723 Senior Member
    edited October 11
    My daughter would have loved your troop, @intparent .

    I always felt that too much of the troop leaders' time and even the scouts' time is consumed by the cookie sales and all that came with it in terms of prep, etc.
  • Dancingmom518Dancingmom518 Registered User Posts: 71 Junior Member
    I absolutely agree with some of the previous posters on Girl Scouts - mostly our troop was making greeting cards, caroling and selling cookies (don't get me started on the cookies).

    Meanwhile, the boys were learning things like first aid and survival skills.

    I know it all depends on the individual troop, but I don't think the Girl Scouts have the same systems in place that support the kind of learning that takes place in Boy Scouts. Wish they had let girls in years ago.
  • WellspringWellspring Registered User Posts: 1,025 Senior Member
    My daughter had a great experience in Girl Scouts and my son had a lousy experience in Cub Scouts. Probably had to do with the leaders but it left a lasting impression on all of us.
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone Registered User Posts: 14,505 Senior Member
    Boy scouts had Explorers when I was in high school and I belonged for a while. I liked Girl Scouts better. We did lots of camping, cooking, service projects. My girls were both in scouts and we did a lot of activities around town on our own - dinosaur ridge was a day of exploring with the units being taught by the women engineers from Colo School of Mines, absolutely the greatest Harry Potter parties when the new books were released, days at museums and art galleries, theater programs.

    I don't remember one manicure.
  • stardustmomstardustmom Registered User Posts: 192 Junior Member
    I think there is room for both groups. The Boy Scouts offer a very different experience from Girl Scouts and may not be for everyone. We've had many boys who did not put in the work to advance, or decided they didn't like camping, but the young men I've seen progress to Eagle have all turned into amazing young men. Finishing an Eagle project and facing a Eagle board of review is true character building. I think it's amazing that girls will now be able to achieve the rank of Eagle!
  • wis75wis75 Registered User Posts: 12,463 Senior Member
    edited October 12
    re post #2 that scouting be a "family activity". NO, NO and NO! I resented being required to attend my kid brother's cub scout activities. I did NOT want to attend potluck suppers or car/boat races at all. Or be bored with the silly ceremonies. Please, do not force the rest of the children to spend their time in an activity they do not enjoy and are not getting to participate in equally. Now, if I could have built the car and raced it with the cub scouts... At least girl scouts did not impose on their siblings every month, especially when homework beckoned.

    Our son was a cub scout for a few years. He had to quit when he went from being a third grader to being a fifth grader- had been in a 3rd/4th grade class doing 4th grade work so a logical, easy transition. The cub scouts would not let him transition to be with his grade/class peer group. So, no more idiotic silly projects at meetings that were the main focus at that stage. The schools offered much more and it wasn't missed. My son was never into getting badges by doing junky stuff (it may have useful for average boys, but son never did do the work he found useless in learning).

    I'll add to this the fact that among son's cousins the ones who were Eagle Scouts are the least successful - no college or good jobs like those who did not do Boy Scouts beyond cubs. Parenting is one factor- the father involved as a parent et al also is messed up. The neighbor who was an Eagle scout I would not trust completely, he did get a degree. Therefore my impressions of reaching that eagle level are not that it means anything compared to others.
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone Registered User Posts: 14,505 Senior Member
    One thing that hasn't been made very public is the decline in the number of boy scout troops, and who will support them. Many Catholic churches no longer support the troops (Girl Scouts or Boy Scouts) The biggest number of troops are sponsored by LDS and they are working on transferring to another type of youth activities. They aren't adding girls.
    The LDS Church, the oldest and largest charter organization of the Boy Scouts of America, announced in May that it was dropping Scouting from its Young Men's program for boys ages 14 through 17.

    Effective Jan. 1, the move will carve as many as 180,000 Mormon boys from the Varsity and Venturing Scout programs in the United States and Canada, replacing the programs with activities created for boys in those age groups by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    At the time, the church stated it would continue to sponsor Cub Scouts for boys 8 to 10 and Boy Scout programs for boys 11 through 13 in the U.S. and Canada. However, statements released by the church also signaled that it may drop those programs in the future.
  • doschicosdoschicos Registered User Posts: 14,723 Senior Member
    No doubt it is driven by declining enrollment (girl scouts, too) rather than altruistic reasons.

    "Now, if I could have built the car and raced it with the cub scouts..."
    I thought the dads made a good chunk of them. :D
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