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Kitchen Redo - Order of projects

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Replies to: Kitchen Redo - Order of projects

  • gouf78gouf78 Registered User Posts: 7,718 Senior Member
    Why not just take a door off and haul it to a cabinet place and see what they would do with it? They'd be able to see the finish and coloring first hand.
  • abasketabasket Registered User Posts: 19,534 Senior Member
    ^Could do that. I'm SO not a reno person as far as knowing steps. I'm the decorating person! H does have more knowledge - but like I said, while he's sort of willing, he isn't stepping up with gusto.

    I changed my profile pic - I'll leave it up there for a day or so. H says they are made of maple.
  • wis75wis75 Registered User Posts: 13,892 Senior Member
    edited February 2018
    Maple is a good hardwood- we used that with our major kitchen renovation (and rest of the house) when we bought our current house. Before redoing the doors I'll assume the insides of the cabinets are in good shape and work well. Ours were not so it was a huge functional improvement to replace them.

    Our kitchen was gutted, painted, ceiled changed to recessed cans from lowered tubes. Then tile replaced vinyl on the cement slab- it extends under the cabinets, without replacing cabinets the tile would have ended at the cabinets with an edging piece (as was done with newer vinyl in our old house).

    The granite people were of course careful. I would not think competent tradespeople would damage cabinets et al. You need to vet your sources and sometimes not use the cheapest possible.

    We have always just used the counter material 3" high backsplash. A backsplash to the cabinet level could be last- unless it is a matter of saving money on granite (quartz) by having a different material to the counter.

    After all I have written plus others' information the bottom line would be to consult with pros, get estimates and information from them. Staging things with the most visible/bothers you most first makes sense. The cabinets? They look like the ones we chose. Perhaps new counters and sink would make every day life more pleasant first.

    In our location we went with Home Depot and Kraft Maid cabinets for our desired quality level. When we asked neighbors et al most seemed to have good experiences with the contractors they used. I went to so many kitchen/cabinet shops and was leery of quality at them I stuck with a major brand. But- if you already have better grade cabinetry it is worthwhile redoing just the doors.
  • Bromfield2Bromfield2 Registered User Posts: 3,528 Senior Member
    You might consider hiring a kitchen designer to help you with the process. He/she could help with decisions on which steps go first as well as helping with decisions on redoing vs replacing cabinets and recommendations for counter/backsplash/lighting/floor choices. Also, designers with experience know the competant/reliable contractors in your area and can provide you with recommendations. Once you have a plan and know exactly what you want, you can save money by being your own general contractor.
  • sylvan8798sylvan8798 Registered User Posts: 6,755 Senior Member
  • TranquilMindTranquilMind Registered User Posts: 1,102 Senior Member
    edited February 2018
    This order:

    Paint wall space (not much of it due to mostly cabinets) Assuming above cabinets here.

    Refinish or paint cabinets (I have never had anyone doing a counter top disturb the cabinets??)

    Replace countertops

    Replace sink - these two, counter tops and sink, basically happen simultaneously. You need your sink on the premises and ready to go when the countertops are replaced because fabricator needs model number (or access to sink, if vintage) to know what size hole to cut.

    Replace backsplash (Cover your new counter tops with bubble wrap or cardboard for protection.

    Potentially replace floor - always work top down in a room. Floors last, unless every square inch will be covered again with cardboard for protection. I just do them last.

    Painting cabinets is expensive. I did a small kitchen last year and it was about $1100 just to paint. Spray them if you want a smooth look. We painted boxes and sprayed doors, due to the restraints in my job. Doors look better.
  • BunsenBurnerBunsenBurner Registered User Posts: 38,642 Senior Member
    "Refinish or paint cabinets (I have never had anyone doing a counter top disturb the cabinets??)"

    Sometimes, new countertops cannot be made the exact thickness as the old ones. That would leave some exposed wood where the old countertop covered it, so if that is the case, refinish should be done last. If I had refinished the wood in my kitchen before redoing the countertops, I would have had to call the finishers in for another round. I see that in the photo there is a phone cubby without backsplash where the countertop comes directly in contact with the wood (we had a couple of spots like that). So ask the designers!
  • abasketabasket Registered User Posts: 19,534 Senior Member
    ^^And we have more spots where the counters have odd meet ups. I've actually thought of putting backsplash(simple white subway tile) in a couple of those areas like that that are small.

    No staining cabinets for me - I don't care for the look. While I'd really like white the expense AND my fear of imperfection as they wear scare me too much. No harm done in us trialing a small section of cabinets - even just a drawer or door first and then proceed from there. And call in a kitchen place or two just to see what they have to say.

  • ConsolationConsolation Registered User Posts: 23,020 Senior Member
    I so, so want to redo my kitchen.

    The problem is that I want to reconfigure it, not just do a cosmetic upgrade. Because doing what I want will be expensive--VERY conservatively $40K--I can't afford to do it. So as a result, I haven't felt able to do anything at all, since it would ultimately be a waste.

    It really stinks to be so paralyzed.
  • sylvan8798sylvan8798 Registered User Posts: 6,755 Senior Member
    edited February 2018
    ^I have a similar problem, @Consolation. Theoretically, we could afford to redo the kitchen, but we keep talking about moving (which H doesn't actually want to do, despite the talk), so why redo the kitchen. It just isn't that important to H. I expect to live with it for a long time to come.
  • MaterSMaterS Registered User Posts: 1,846 Senior Member
    OP do you want to maximize resale or be happy with your kitchen?

    Another idea is to look at Zillow and see what people want in your area. There is a very sad $3 million dollar house in my area that has been on the market for 2 years. They pulled it off the market and remodeled but kept the 90's planning desk in the kitchen. So another 8 months on the market and another price reduction.
  • coralbrookcoralbrook Registered User Posts: 7,701 Senior Member
    edited February 2018
    Here’s my advice:

    Since you don’t want stained cabinets, research cabinet refacing. There will be several companies that will come out and give bids and show their product. Beware of thermafoil white wrap crap

    Take off one drawer and sand, prep, paint with foam roller. You won’t get the spray look but you will be able to tell if it looks nice and whether it will last. Put drawer back in, put a handle on and abuse the drawer a lot. Bang some pots against it, use dirty hands to open and close. Try cleaning the surface with a mild soap. In general newly painted cabinets will lighten up and freshen up the kitchen and you will love them.

    Decide whether you want to reface or repaint and hire someone to do that job.

    Before they come, you need to clear out all cabinets and set up a kitchen somewhere else. You may have to pull out stove, dishwasher, microwave, and refrigerator for a bit. You might as well, you won’t believe how gross it gets back behind these things and it needs a thorough cleaning. If you are not comfortable moving those out yourself, include it in the painting job bid.

    Paint walls and ceiling yourself

    You should be able to demo off countertops and sink yourself. The problem is hauling it away somewhere. By having countertops off, the painting will be more thorough. Find prefab granite, quartz, marble place in your area. Make your selection and ask the store for installation/fabrication referrals. Buy undermount sink and faucet (and soap, hot water dispensers if wanted.)

    After cabinets done, have countertop guys install the undermount sink and drill hole(s) for faucet.

    So far you have only hired two specialists. You might need to hire a plumber if you need to for hooking up garbage disposal, sink drain and dishwasher

    Then you can have some fun selecting backsplash and installing yourself

    You can do floors any time after countertop installed
  • thumper1thumper1 Registered User Posts: 76,083 Senior Member
    @MaterS yep....when I redo my cabinets, I am turning that desk area into a coffee station or buffet or something. The cabinets above will have glass front doors for some of my nicer dishes. And all the crap in those cabinets...and drawers will get tossed!
  • lilmomlilmom Registered User Posts: 3,557 Senior Member
    edited February 2018
    We are doing all of the above in our kitchen except for the flooring. We, too, have 30+ doors and drawers to paint and we are going to experiment - DH and I will wipe a dark/almost black stain over the brown finish. We finished one door and loved it. We have a contractor friend who is doing everything else and he will have our refinished cabinets sprayed with a protective coating. We also have a tight budget and priced everything out before starting.

    This is the order we are following:
    kitchen island rebuild
    kitchen countertop installation
    cabinet repainting (really glazing)
    island painting and cabinet sealing
    backsplash install


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