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Recovery and 12 step thread.

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  • privatebankerprivatebanker Registered User Posts: 4,960 Senior Member
    It’s complicated. And it depends on how much the person has lost the power of choice.

    And do they have a substance abuse problem which can be removed by detoxication and substitute alone. There’s lots and lots of people in this category. Once clean they won’t touch an aspirin again.

    Then there is the person using these not simply because of a physical addiction but they have come to see it (metaphorically speaking) as a solution to some underlying sense of dis-ease.

    This requires a bit more work after getting the substances out of your system. These people have an obsession beyond craving that needs a suitable replacement that can’t be a substitute drug.

    It has to be a way of living that creates a natural sense of ease and peace in your life to replace the underlying dissatisfaction with life on life’s terms. Fulfilling, long term sobriety requires abstinence imho.

    But short term to get off of street opiates and pills, Substitution works well. But ultimately you don’t want to use these for eternity either.
  • privatebankerprivatebanker Registered User Posts: 4,960 Senior Member
    edited February 24
    Awesome news Oscar.
  • privatebankerprivatebanker Registered User Posts: 4,960 Senior Member
    edited February 24
    Not surprised to hear that about your son. The basic tenets of the program is based on complete honesty with yourself and others. Hard not be trustworthy and reliable with that as your core process.

    My best friend in the program just graduated from BU with MSW and already has a great job. Six years ago he was a college drop out with a record. He’s married to a beautiful woman from east Asia with a PhD and has a six month old. He just turned 30 today. And is relentless in his pursuit to be helpful to others. Nice kid to be around.
  • oscar63oscar63 Registered User Posts: 371 Member
    When you commit yourself to sobriety and work the program, anything is possible. I love to hear success stories!
  • HImomHImom Registered User Posts: 34,234 Senior Member
    A relative had a rough time for awhile—alcohol & drugs. I believe he’s mostly turned around and is living a happier life now. His dad is very relieved.
  • privatebankerprivatebanker Registered User Posts: 4,960 Senior Member
    @momofsenior1

    That’s so sad to hear for you and for him to have missed the chance at freedom.

    If you can find it in yourself to see him a bit as a sick and sad person perhaps it will make you feel better.

    Your story is an example of why I have become an advocate for these matters.

    The effects on the on the family and wives and employers are each so important, there is a separate chapter for each of the “big book” as they call it. And it’s not big at all only 164 pages, it’s more that it’s big for the world.

    Also” al anon” is there for you. It’s not for the alcoholic.

    You might get angry at them suggesting a spiritual path to lessening your hurt and anger.

    But it works.

    And ultimately it’s not a program absolving people, it’s a program of truth.

    Which includes the facts as you described. It just sucks to feel pissed and let down all the time.

    Have a great day.
  • privatebankerprivatebanker Registered User Posts: 4,960 Senior Member
    @Bestfriendsgirl That’s awesome. So happy you are doing so well.
  • busyparentbusyparent Registered User Posts: 1,022 Senior Member
    Best friends girl, could you elaborate on what you are learning/receiving from OA please? Do you go to in person meetings or on line? Good is my issue too. Thx
  • busyparentbusyparent Registered User Posts: 1,022 Senior Member
    Food not good. Oops
  • privatebankerprivatebanker Registered User Posts: 4,960 Senior Member
    @Bestfriendsgirl Your presence is requested :)
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