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Recovery and 12 step thread.

privatebankerprivatebanker 6870 replies168 threads Senior Member
Many parents are battling the opioid crisis and other substance abuse matters. It can be very lonely for the care givers and the potential (unnecessary) shame, guilt and misunderstanding. And also for anyone who has a alcohol or drug problem.

Thought I would open a thread for people to share and for those or with those in successful recovery to help out.
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  • privatebankerprivatebanker 6870 replies168 threads Senior Member
    edited February 2019
    Good for him. Good for your family too, I bet.

    It’s important in many programs to give back, a good rule in life.
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  • privatebankerprivatebanker 6870 replies168 threads Senior Member
    edited February 2019
    A staggering 23mm Americans are believed to have alcohol dependency issues.

    A heartbreaking 70,000 people died last year in the USA from opioid use. That’s an astonishing 20000 more Americans in one year than all of the 15 years in the Vietnam War. Many are young. Many are elderly. They are rich stars and actors. They are poor and homeless.

    Talk to first responders. Narcan is more common than any other calls. Imagine the number of deaths without this resource. Astounding. [-(
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  • LizardlyLizardly 2633 replies11 threads Senior Member
    I have a brother who has struggled with alcohol. After a very rough year, he is doing better, not drinking, but I am afraid to be optimistic. We didn't know he had a problem for many years. Then we found out, thought he was getting help, discovered he was only going through the motions. We love him dearly and wish we could help.
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  • privatebankerprivatebanker 6870 replies168 threads Senior Member
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    @lizardly. If you know anyone who is healthy - in a mentally and spiritually balanced recovery, ask them to talk to your brother. The cornerstone of 12 step recovery programs is that it’s based on one alcoholic talking to and helping another.

    It has been a real solution. For most, alcohol is not the problem but the solution (albeit ineffective and destructive) to an underlying malady. And it’s best understood by those who have made it to the other side.
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  • privatebankerprivatebanker 6870 replies168 threads Senior Member
    edited February 2019
    @HouseChatte

    It manifests itself in many ways. Making a heavy going of life and not knowing why.
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  • Midwest67Midwest67 4103 replies15 threads Senior Member
    My father drank to excess in order to ease his suffering. As a teen, I was filled with disdain for his “weakness”.

    Now, as a woman in my mid-50s — not much older than my father was when I was a teen — I have a lot of compassion for his plight.

    I married a man who has never been drunk. He doesn’t drink. I’ve always thought that was a good thing in a partner for me.

    I’ve worked with many many people with drug and/or alcohol problems. I don’t want it to happen to me. I want to be able to drink in moderation and not have to give it up.

    I really look forward to my evening beer. But just like certain food items, I have to make rules for myself so one beer doesn’t turn into 3-4. Meaning, I feel the tug to drink more than one. Aren’t our brains curious creatures?

    I stopped drinking wine because “one glass” was always more than one serving (five ounces) and five ounces seemed like nothing. Much happier with a 12 oz beer! I steer clear of hard liquor.


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  • privatebankerprivatebanker 6870 replies168 threads Senior Member
    It’s a problem when the first asks for second, the second suggests a third and the third demands a fourth.
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  • gardenstategalgardenstategal 6653 replies10 threads Senior Member
    I have read that those addicted to opiates are far less likely to have a success with a 12 step type program on its own and often do better with the help of another drug (like a methadone program. ) I don't understand the science behind it but the stats on outcomes are pretty compelling. Curious if anyone has any experience with this.
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  • privatebankerprivatebanker 6870 replies168 threads Senior Member
    It’s complicated. And it depends on how much the person has lost the power of choice.

    And do they have a substance abuse problem which can be removed by detoxication and substitute alone. There’s lots and lots of people in this category. Once clean they won’t touch an aspirin again.

    Then there is the person using these not simply because of a physical addiction but they have come to see it (metaphorically speaking) as a solution to some underlying sense of dis-ease.

    This requires a bit more work after getting the substances out of your system. These people have an obsession beyond craving that needs a suitable replacement that can’t be a substitute drug.

    It has to be a way of living that creates a natural sense of ease and peace in your life to replace the underlying dissatisfaction with life on life’s terms. Fulfilling, long term sobriety requires abstinence imho.

    But short term to get off of street opiates and pills, Substitution works well. But ultimately you don’t want to use these for eternity either.
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  • privatebankerprivatebanker 6870 replies168 threads Senior Member
    edited February 2019
    Awesome news Oscar.
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