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Coronavirus thread for June

CCadmin_JonCCadmin_Jon 154 replies19 threads Community Manager
edited June 29 in Parent Cafe
Hello everyone.

For context, I'd like to point you to:

I'm worried. The United States is experiencing political tribalism, global pandemic, record unemployment and, as of this week, nationwide protests both violent and peaceful. On top of that, students and parents are dealing with the very real possibility school campuses won't be open next fall. Worry, fear and stress naturally lead to disputes. We are all in this together, so why do we feel so far apart?

In my 4 months of being around the College Confidential community, I've learned that many strong bonds have been formed here. I've heard that members of the community have met in real life, celebrated each other's triumphs and grieved each other's losses. This is the sort of supportive community we need in this time of trouble.

Unfortunately, I've seen and heard of strife in the threads about coronavirus. I know from talking to people individually that there is a supportive community here. From reading the threads, I don't get that feeling at all. I won't trouble you with my theories about why that might be. It really doesn't matter. What does matter is that so much community activity has been increasing division rather than encouraging each other.

Like many community sites, College Confidential makes money via advertising. One of the things I'm responsible for is increasing pageviews on the site in order to increase revenue. Something a lot of people involved in online communities have discovered is that outrage drives traffic. I see that when I participate on Twitter and it's so frustrating. I also think it's shortsighted. People get burnt out on outrage and move onto other things. I don't want that fate for College Confidential.

So I'd like to see this thread focus on how we can help each other in this time of stress. Please bring news that is helpful and avoid trying to score political points. How can we adjust to the world that's changing before our eyes? Let's avoid assigning blame or shame.

While you are here, please maintain a civil and respectful attitude. If you can't agree to that and demonstrate it in your responses, I request you sit this month out. If you are onboard, please be patient as I work through moderation here.
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  • ChoatieMomChoatieMom 5752 replies270 threads Senior Member
    One of the things I'm responsible for is increasing pageviews on the site in order to increase revenue.

    And, on that clear note, I’m out.
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  • CreeklandCreekland 6876 replies93 threads Senior Member
    I, for one, appreciate what you're trying to do and don't mind that you also have a business to keep afloat while doing it.

    I'm still in - even though I may be one of those never returning to school as I used to know it. (I haven't even decided whether I'm returning to school at all.)

    I'm looking forward to reading about what people see where they are, what they find in their net searches, and how things progress in general.
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  • CTTCCTTC 2409 replies165 threads Senior Member
    edited May 31
    I've seen and heard of strife in the threads about coronavirus. I know from talking to people individually that there is a supportive community here. From reading the threads, I don't get that feeling at all. I won't trouble you with my theories about why that might be. It really doesn't matter.
    So what are your theories? If you weren't going to share, you shouldn't have mentioned them.

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  • roycroftmomroycroftmom 4495 replies40 threads Senior Member
    edited May 31
    So someone jogged my memory, and I looked up something from my early childhood-The Hong Kong flu epidemic of 1968 (H3N2, I think), which killed more than 100k Americans, mostly over age 65, at a time when the US population was much smaller (source, CDC). I don't remember anything like the current reaction among the public. Does anyone remember that or the response?
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  • roycroftmomroycroftmom 4495 replies40 threads Senior Member
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    Apparently it was all in 1968, per CDC. I don't know which months. There must be a month by month breakdown somewhere, but I didnt find it in the CDC article.
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  • mathmommathmom 33190 replies161 threads Senior Member
    My theories regarding the Hong Kong flu. One: We were knee deep in Vietnam. Two: We didn't have the internet. Three: According to Wikipedia started in July 1968 but was not over until Winter 1969/70. Second wave was deadlier than the first. Apparently there was a vaccine, but I'd guess not widely used. I certainly never heard of anyone getting a flu vaccine back then.
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  • catahoulacatahoula 3630 replies6 threads Senior Member
    From Brittanica:
    The 1968 flu pandemic caused illness of varying degrees of severity in different populations. For example, whereas illness was diffuse and affected only small numbers of people in Japan, it was widespread and deadly in the United States.

    Depends on the source, but US deaths are estimated to have been in excess of 100,000. Which works out to around 500 deaths/MM. Probably much higher in some areas of the US, lower in others.

    Mentioned this on the other thread, but:

    I was rolling newspapers for my older brother at the time, reading the front page as I went and reading most of the rest after I was done.

    Woodstock, the daily Vietnam war body counts, riots and protests, but... I've no recollection of the Hong Kong flu being front page news at the time. Sure it made the front page but wasn't dwelt on, day in day out.

    Different times, different expectations I suppose.
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  • emilybeeemilybee 14770 replies41 threads Senior Member
    No it was over 3 years and the second wave was worse than the first wave. No surprise there.

    “1968 flu pandemic, also called Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968 or Hong Kong flu of 1968, global outbreak of influenza that originated in China in July 1968 and lasted until 1969–70.“

    “The pandemic occurred in two waves, and in most places the second wave caused a greater number of deaths than the first wave.“


    https://www.britannica.com/event/1968-flu-pandemic


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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 83491 replies741 threads Senior Member
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    Apparently it was all in 1968, per CDC. I don't know which months. There must be a month by month breakdown somewhere, but I didnt find it in the CDC article.

    Various sources seem to be conflicting about the total deaths in the US, with some saying 34,000 and some saying 100,000, with the latter being more common.

    That pandemic was over two seasons (1968-69 and 1969-70). The US was supposedly unusual in that most deaths (one source claims 70%) occurred in the first winter, unlike in most other countries where most deaths occurred in the second winter. A vaccine was available early, but may not have been available in large numbers.

    This flu was a then-new H3N2 virus, apparently related to a previous H2N2 human virus and an H3N? avian virus. Variants of this virus are still targeted by influenza vaccines (the H3N2 part of the vaccines).

    As far as the public reaction at the time, it was probably slowed by:

    A. The generally higher risk of life during that time (other infectious diseases for which there were no vaccines or early less effective vaccines, poor auto safety compared to today's standards, pollution, then-rising violent crime that may have been due to lead pollution, lack of medical treatment for what are now treatable medical problems, getting drafted into a war, etc.).
    B. News was disseminated much more slowly, and most people got it from outlets that were less sensationalist and opinion-based than now. The daily newspaper kept editorials and opinions in a clearly marked section; in contrast, many people get their news instantaneously from social media or television channels where the norm is add sensationalism and opinion into the news.
    C. There was other news taking up the front page of newspapers and the main part of TV news programs at the time.
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  • doschicosdoschicos 26694 replies268 threads Senior Member
    I'm confused. Is this the new Covid-19 discussion thread - or something else?
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  • MarilynMarilyn 4291 replies141 threads Senior Member
    It’s the June discussion thread.
    So I'd like to see this thread focus on how we can help each other in this time of stress. Please bring news that is helpful and avoid trying to score political points. How can we adjust to the world that's changing before our eyes? Let's avoid assigning blame or shame.

    While you are here, please maintain a civil and respectful attitude. If you can't agree to that and demonstrate it in your responses, I request you sit this month out. If you are onboard, please be patient as I work through moderation here.
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  • mom60mom60 8386 replies514 threads Senior Member
    Not yet June in Ca but I’ll post about a conversation I had with one of my kids. She said she is reading online about people who are unhappy with our county mask ordinance. They are saying they will go shopping in the next county to avoid having to wear a mask. Pretty childish in my opinion. How hard is it to wear a mask. The other county has a no visitor from outside the county ordinance so not sure that they want our county citizens germs. She has also lived in several other areas of the US and noticed via Facebook that those in two of her previous states people are socializing a lot more.
    One of my other children lives in another part of our state. Her and her husband went out to lunch with a friend at a dine in restaurant. Staff were wearing masks but most of the customers were not. Food was served on real plates but the menu was throwaway.

    Tomorrow I’m going back to physical therapy for the first time since early March. I will be required to wear a mask.
    I hope this thread can stay civil. It saddens me that our country like these threads is so strongly divided.
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  • CCadmin_JonCCadmin_Jon 154 replies19 threads Community Manager
    camathmom wrote: »
    I do appreciate moderation that tries to keep it civil though. It disturbs me when a poster tells another poster that they do not have a right to make their post.

    Just to be clear, this isn't necessarily a a free speech zone. It's awfully easy for people to get into heated conversations, which isn't really the right spirit for healthy community interaction. Respecting each other means to back down when it's clear an argument is starting to break out. I'm gonna do my best to keep things civil, but I'm only human. ;-)
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