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Colleges That DO NOT Accept Dual Credit HS Courses

hudsonvalley51hudsonvalley51 Registered User Posts: 2,449 Senior Member
edited October 2010 in Parents Forum
This issue has been discussed at least briefly on several threads of the Parents forum, but I can't find in one location information as to which colleges and universities do not accept credit for "college-in-the-high school" (aka dual credit) courses. I'm asking this because many parents in our local high schools have found, to their chagrin, that the Spanish IV course or Pre-Calculus course that they had paid the local CC or SUNY or Syracuse University to get credit for will not be accepted at the college their son or daughter has been accepted at. In some cases they had been told that "all colleges accept these credits" only to find out that what the teacher/guidance counselor meant was "all SUNY colleges will accept these credits."

One might guess that college-in-the-high school courses will not garner you credit at Harvard, Yale or Princeton, but looking around at the admissions sites for less prestigious institutions it seems there are many others that will not accept dual enrollment credits. These include:

Albion College
Albright College
American University
Arcadia University
Bard College
Bates College
Baldwin-Wallace College
Bennington College

To name just a few. Could CC Parents who have been down this path add to this list? I would like to share this information with our high school along with a suggestion that they be more careful about overstating the transferrability of college-in-the-high school credits. [Please note: I am not arguing against dual credit programs -- they have innate value just in the extra challenge they offer strong secondary school students -- just the way they are often billed as a way to save money at ALL colleges.]
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  • walkinghomewalkinghome Registered User Posts: 7,708 Senior Member
    Gosh, I think there are probably more schools then don't take them that do. The same could be true for AP classes - either they won't take them or they don't fit in the intended major. I don't know if any of the private Colleges my son is applying to will take anything. In our small HS there are not a lot of choices so the kids that take the harder classes just take AP's and dual credit knowing that they may or may not count. If nothing else, they are generally harder and look good on the transcript.
  • hudsonvalley51hudsonvalley51 Registered User Posts: 2,449 Senior Member
    kathiep -- There is a difference between taking a dual enrollment course for the challenge and paying for the dual enrollment course with the expectation that ALL colleges will accept those credits. As you say, not all colleges accept AP credits and, if they do, not all colleges will accept a 3 or 4 on the exam for credit. The difference I have noted in our community is that parents are told about the limits on AP credit but not about the limits on college-in-the-high school credit. Some parents (not us) have not discovered their mistake until they've spent a few thousand dollars. I don't think that is right.
  • kttmomkttmom Registered User Posts: 269 Junior Member
    hv51 - I agree. I made the mistake with my oldest of paying for a duel photography class. Then I happened to stumble on something on U of R website that stated they do not accept any course taken at the HS - so you can add them to your list.

    My 3rd child is currently in Pre-Cal enriched and the teacher pushed the kids HARD to sign up for the duel credits. He may have been the only kid that did not go for it. I guarantee there is no college he will be going to that gives credit for PRE-Calc - at least not toward his intended major. My older son got a 5 on the AP Calc BC and he only got credit for Cal I at his top 20 school (so pre-cal would not have been given any credit toward degree)
  • nemomnemom Registered User Posts: 1,607 Senior Member
    Everyone at my son's school has dual credits. We are advised to just check with each college because what is accepted varies. It can depend on the college at which the credits were earned, the college being attended, and the courses. Some colleges also have a limit on the total number of credits they will accept.
  • gbrasggbrasg Registered User Posts: 78 Junior Member
    hi there! I am an AP teacher and Dual Credit teacher. I am in Texas. We have found that most of the public universities will take DC classes. The ones that don't usually want a 4/5 on an AP exam. Some just want you to take their introductory classes.

    At my school, we have a huge majority of students who stay in town or go to UT Austin, UT San Antonio, ASU, etc. All their DC credits transfer. I have had a few students who were considered juniors after their first semester in college.

    You definitely need to look at the schools you are shooting for and look up their requirements. In any event, our DC program is considered rigorous as is our AP program. Most of our students take some of each.
  • justmytwocentsjustmytwocents Registered User Posts: 202 Junior Member
    Hi Hudson Valley,

    One tip: Many schools (in my experience working in college admissions and now university administration) WILL allow students to apply *some* credit prior to matriculation from university or college classes IF those classes were A) not taken on a high school campus, B) were not used to also fulfill high school requirements, and C) were considered "regular" college courses.

    I think this is where the big "rub" so to speak comes in for many students, particularly from areas where dual degree courses are popular or widely offered (New York state for example -- IMHO NY is where this "trend" is most widespread).

    So, if little Suzy has fufilled her 3-years-of-math requirement for her HS diploma and decides to take Calculus I at the local college campus (not for any HS credit) her senior year, there is a distinct possibility that this credit may transfer, even if the school does not accept dual degree credits.

    Is this distinction clear?

    Part of the hesitancy, among many other issues including questions of academic rigor, for some schools to accept dual degree credits is that students are in-effect "double dipping" -- that is, earning a credit for both their high school diploma AND towards a college degree. Some may argue that AP courses are similarly suited, but anyone can take the AP exam (without taking the course) and students are only given credit for particular scores/exam performance, so there is (at least theoretically ;)) a nationally administered and evaluated standard that is earned outside of the classroom.

    I tried to find an example of this policy in writing and I found two (pasted below) -- one from Tufts and one from Duke.

    From Tufts:
    Secondary school students who have taken college courses should consult the appropriate departments regarding their placement and the possible award of credits. Credit is awarded only for courses taken at a college with regularly enrolled college students. Some colleges offer their courses at nearby secondary schools for classes composed entirely of secondary school students; credit is not awarded for these courses.

    From Duke:
    Pre-Matriculation Credit

    Students who matriculate at Duke with pre-college course work taken at another American college or university prior to their matriculation at Duke--transfer student credits are evaluated in a different way, as are pre-matriculation credits earned at Duke (see below)--can have their pre-college courses recorded on their Trinity College academic record and receive AP-like credit for them only if the courses:

    * were taken on the college campus;
    * were taken in competition with degree candidates of that college;
    * were taught by a regular member of the college faculty;
    * were part of the regular curriculum of the college;
    * were taken after commencement of your junior year of high school;
    * were not taken on a study abroad program completed prior to matriculation at Duke--restriction does not apply to transfer students if such credit was granted at the former institution;
    * yielded a grade of B- or better;
    * were not pre-calculus or English composition courses; and
    * were not used to meet high school diploma requirements.
  • JustAMomOf4JustAMomOf4 Registered User Posts: 4,563 Senior Member
    I am not surprised that Pre-Calc is not given college credit. This is really a high school course. With some of these colleges it may be the specific course and not in fact, a blanket statement.
    I would bet that at least Arcadia will accept Calculus credit from a dual credit course.

    I know that University of Pennsylvania (the Ivy league college) does in fact, accept dual credit courses from our local Community college. Penn State accepts the credit as well.

    Our kids get a transcript directly from the community college to send to their current school, there is no difference between a course taken at high school and taken directly at the community college. We have found that any college who accepts the cc's credit will accept the dual credit.
  • zoosermomzoosermom Registered User Posts: 25,968 Senior Member
    I have never found a college that accepted dual credit courses except for the partner college, and I looked at dozens of non-elite schools for my two daughters.
  • hudsonvalley51hudsonvalley51 Registered User Posts: 2,449 Senior Member
    JustAMomof4 -- Cornell University CALS will accept dual enrollment courses from NYS community colleges according to several Cornell moms I know. I wonder if Penn has a similar arrangement: they accept dual enrollment credits from PA community colleges but not from Big Sky CC in Montana?
  • JustAMomOf4JustAMomOf4 Registered User Posts: 4,563 Senior Member
    As far as Albright college - I know for a fact they will accept dual credit courses from our community college. I am not sure how you got this information.
    Perhaps it is specific to certain courses or a certain CC?
  • JustAMomOf4JustAMomOf4 Registered User Posts: 4,563 Senior Member
    hbv51 - I have no idea. Perhaps.

    My daughter had no trouble transferring her dual credit Calculus I credit to her college in Maryland though.
  • bluebayoubluebayou Registered User Posts: 24,428 Senior Member
    Gosh, I think there are probably more schools then don't take them that do.

    Since "most" colleges are public, and they tend to be extremely generous with AP/IB/dual enrollment credit.......

    but yes, private colleges have a much different attitude. A couple I have noticed WILL provide credit if the dual class was taken on the college campus with regular college students and HS grad credit was not needed.
  • JustAMomOf4JustAMomOf4 Registered User Posts: 4,563 Senior Member
    If you are actually paying the Community college and receive a transcript from the community college, I would take issue if a college would not accept this - if they would accept the same course taken at the CC.
  • hudsonvalley51hudsonvalley51 Registered User Posts: 2,449 Senior Member
    Updated List:

    Colleges That Do Not Accept Dual Enrollment (College-in-the-High School) Course Credits

    Albion College (Michigan)
    Albright College (Pennsylvania)
    American University (Washington, DC)
    Arcadia University (Pennsylvania)
    Bard College (New York)
    Bates College (Maine)
    Baldwin-Wallace College (Ohio)
    Bennington College (Vermont)
    Bowdoin College (Maine)
    Boston University (Massachusetts)
    Brandeis University (Massachusetts)
    Brown University (Rhode Island)
    Columbia University (New York)
    Dartmouth College (New Hampshire)
    Dickinson College (Pennsylvania)
    Drew University (New Jersey)
    Drexel University (Pennsylvania)
    Elon University (North Carolina)
    Emerson College (Massachusetts)
    Fairfield University (Connecticut)
    Fairleigh Dickinson University (New Jersey)
    Fordham University (New York)
    Franklin and Marshall College (Pennsylvania)
    Georgetown University (Washington, DC)
    Harvard University (Massachusetts)
    Lafayette College (Pennsylvania)
    Princeton University (New Jersey)
    University of Pennsylvania (Pennsylvania)
    University of Rochester (New York)
    Yale University (Connecticut)
  • JustAMomOf4JustAMomOf4 Registered User Posts: 4,563 Senior Member
    Where are you getting this list??
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