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LACs and education majors


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  • cobratcobrat Registered User Posts: 12,285 Senior Member
    I knew several classmates from Oberlin who became K-12 teachers.

    Some were hired through NY teaching fellow programs where their teaching certifications were paid for while they worked as teachers in underserved areas.

    Others went the charter/private school route first, got teaching certification paid for by their employers, and eventually ended up getting hired in the public school system. One is now teaching math at Midwood. :)

    Still a few others went for a EdM at places like Harvard grad school of Ed or Columbia's Teacher's College and then worked as public school teachers for a few years. Most were on some sort of scholarship from such institutions.
  • spdfspdf Registered User Posts: 955 Member
    The situation you're describing is the usual one, and not just at an LAC. What most people are unaware of is that education is a major that is best started freshman year, and that an undergraduate education degree (even at a state university) doesn't normally include a teaching certificate. The certification program classes must be done in addition to the degree coursework, and if you're starting two years late, there's just no way to get it all in. A one-year master's program that includes basic certification isn't a bad solution.

    If your daughter isn't interested in the master's degree (which is required in some states but not others), there are alternative routes to a teaching certificate. In Texas, the Educational Service Centers offer certification classes. These alternative certification programs are either 12 months or 17 months long, though, so that extra $25k year at the LAC can get your daughter into the workplace sooner, and with better credentials and a higher salary to boot.
  • thumper1thumper1 Registered User Posts: 76,044 Senior Member
    TK...the education courses can NOT be taken at a community college. They are upper level courses.

    To the OP...yes, there IS a difference between being required to get a masters at some point and getting hired with a bachelors. I have been on MANY hiring committees. Especially now when there can be hundreds of applications for ONE job...a masters is viewed very favorably when applications are screened. Many applicants are working as teaching assistants while getting a masters degree. These are very desirable applicants. NO...school districts don't pay their teaching assistants to get their masters, but you do get valuable experience.

    Now that the OPs daughter knows she wants to teach, she can pursue one of the many options for gaining certification to do so, as listed above.

    Good friend graduated from Skidmore. She was NOT able to major in special education there, and went on to get her masters elsewhere after undergrad.
  • emeraldkity4emeraldkity4 Registered User Posts: 35,861 Senior Member
    The Special Education program at The Ohio State University has been preparing teachers and leaders in the field for over half a century. The program offers three undergraduate specializations, four master's specializations, a doctoral specialization, three licensure-only programs, and one endorsement program. Our licensure programs are accredited by the National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE) and the Council for Exceptional Children, and our graduate programs in applied behavior analysis are accredited by the Association for Applied Behavior Analysis International.

    It looks like in Ohio you can go either the undergrad or grad school route to enter special education.

    Im surprised that some lacs are offering the chance to apply for undergrad education certificates. The time spent in practicum must be very limited.
  • SteveMASteveMA Registered User Posts: 6,079 Senior Member
    emeraldkity4--around here teachers do a 3 week observation during junior year and a semester of student teaching before they graduate. Even at state schools/flagships this is the NORM.
  • emeraldkity4emeraldkity4 Registered User Posts: 35,861 Senior Member
    It looks like at Carleton, students earning an education major are encouraged to student teach during a thirteenth term after graduation.
    I do know someone who is teaching high school from Carleton, but his undergrad was in chemistry. The undergrad degree of the Williams grad was history. They are both teaching at the small private high school they attended.

    Student teaching is also available during their senior year, ( @ Carleton) but undoubtably it is only one part of the curriculum.

    An advantage to earning your education certificate in graduate school rather than undergrad, is more classroom experience.
    Even though my D is only tangentially interested in being in front of a classroom, her two years of classroom experience while earning her MAT added much to her resume.
  • MizzBeeMizzBee Registered User Posts: 4,578 Senior Member
    At DS school those wishing to get a teaching certificate take a 5th year that is tuition free, though they would still need to cover living expenses. It is clearly stated in the material for the school. There is no education major, rather you get secondary (grades 5-12) licensure programs in: English, French, German, Latin, Spanish, Mathematics, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, History, Political Science, Economics and Psychology in addition to the BA in your major. During that time they get 11 weeks of field training and it can be completed as either a 9th semester or a full year (which is required for a science teacher).

    A lot of kids have no idea that they want to be high school teachers until they fall in love iwth a subject in college. I like that a to of schools make it easy to get the major proficiency and offer a way to convert it into a license.
  • SteveMASteveMA Registered User Posts: 6,079 Senior Member
    emeraldkity4--High school teachers, at least in most states with better education systems, have degrees in their subject area, chemistry, biology, whatever, and then get a minor in secondary education--part of which includes the student teaching portion. Elementary education is a major in itself, however.
  • thumper1thumper1 Registered User Posts: 76,044 Senior Member
    SteveMA...in my state, elementary education teachers must also have a content area major...their education courses are done in addition to the content area major. Elementary education is not a solo major here. It used to be, but is not any more. Also, special education teachers in this state are dual certified and must do a student teaching in both regular and special education.

    In virtually all cases now, it takes at least an extra semester to get the courses in for certification and the chosen major.
  • Papa ChickenPapa Chicken Registered User Posts: 2,841 Senior Member
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 76,620 Senior Member
    EMM1 wrote:
    So here is the bottom line. In my view, unless a) you are absolutely sure that your child is not interested a teaching career or b) money is no object, you should check to be sure that any LAC you are considering allows undergraduates to major in education. Otherwise, cross it off your list.

    This statement can be changed in a general sense to:

    So here is the bottom line. In my view, unless a) you are absolutely sure that your child is not interested a career which requires majoring in [major] or b) money is no object, you should check to be sure that any college or university you are considering allows undergraduates to major in [major]. Otherwise, cross it off your list.
  • MommaJMommaJ Registered User Posts: 5,756 Senior Member
    I don't understand being surprised or "put out" that an LAC doesn't offer a program that certifies one to teach. LAC websites and catalogs aren't keeping any secrets--the available majors and minors are right there for all to see. These colleges are simply not oriented toward career preparation--most don't offer degrees in accounting or nursing, either. It's not their mission.

    Many students enter college with no idea about a potential career or change their minds, often more than once. To cover every single possible career choice your kid might ultimately select, you'd be limited to very large universities, which may not be good matches for other reasons. And if the student doesn't decide on a career choice until late in the game, additional schooling will still be required. That's just the way it goes.

    My D entered college without the slightest interest in teaching. By start of her junior year, it was her chosen profession. But, as has been mentioned, the decision to pursue an education degree that satisfies state licensing requirements must be made early on in one's college career to allow time for all the necessary courses and student teaching. D can't complete an education major at her undergrad institution, so will be going for a joint master's in elementary and special ed. There was really no way to avoid this result.
  • mommamochamommamocha Registered User Posts: 369 Member
    In many states you cannot earn a teaching degree in four years. A fifth year or certification year or a masters degree are needed. Most school systems have a pay scale that moves you along a progressive scale, the more credits and degrees you've earned as well as the years you've been teaching = the more you earn.
  • moonchildmoonchild Registered User Posts: 3,296 Senior Member
    ^^^That's how it is in California. You major in a subject area for your UG degree, and the the fifth year is education courses and practicum.
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