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All dual enrollment for highschool


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  • turtletimeturtletime Registered User Posts: 1,244 Senior Member
    Dual enrollment has been a great option for my kid. She's in a competitive middle college program for 11th and 12th graders. They take honors English and Social Studies together in a high school classroom on campus but then everything else at the CC. Many of the kids in her program choose to attend one of or California public colleges (like Berkeley, UCSD, UCLA) where they get the most bang for their buck in regards to dual enrollment credits. However, this year they have kids going off to selective private schools like NYU, Bowdoin, U Richmond, Pomona and Oberlin. That's not too shabby.

    We don't yet know which classes D's private college will accept. They will at max take 7 (one year of credit.) D only cares that they take her Spanish. She'd love for the language requirement to be done. She is not at all interested in graduating early. If she had been, she'd have got to Berkeley where almost all her GE's would be completed. We don't foresee any repetition largely because the courses at the private school are packaged so differently. On top of that, she really used CC to explore.... not to accelerate in her high interest areas. She's not going to be an anthropologist. She enjoyed the class and the CC but if the university doesn't take her intro to physical anthropology class, it's not like she'd have to repeat it, for example.

    I guess what I'm saying is that if it's important to your son that his classes "count" at the university, he needs to be looking at his public options. He shouldn't be taking "high school level" classes at the CC. Those won't transfer and they are often not the same quality as in high school because you are with remedial students. However, if he wants to push himself in college level courses, I recommend exploring and focusing on GE's as opposed to taking too many classes in his intended major.

  • OakbirchOakbirch Registered User Posts: 4 New Member
    edited May 2014
    No, it's not important for his dual enrollment credits to transfer. I mean it would be nice from a financial standpoint since dual enrollment is free here, but that's not the reason he is doing it. His reason for dual enrollment was for a more challenging curricula. He wanted the opportunity to take classes above the AP level, and he also likes the faster semester pace over the year long high school pace for classes.

    Our community college seems to be one of the better ones from what I have read. Though there's not an actual articulation agreement, it is the main feeder college to our state flagship. I've looked through the course offerings and semeseter schedules and they seem to offer a true generall education curricula - math (including Calc I, II, III, Diff Eq), physics, chem and bio I and II with coordinating labs, various histories and composition and lit courses, three semesters per foreign language. A lot of the professors at the college also teach at the flagship. I'm comfortable with the level of instruction he is receiving there so far. There's not a lot of variety of course options for exploring I guess, but the plan is to transfer to the flagship's dual enrollment program after his sophomore year where the course offerings are huge so he should be able to explore then.

    My main concern was the repetition of courses. He is not looking to graduate with his bachelor's early. He wants time for research/internships, etc. The best situation for him would be to have the gen eds accepted in the subjects in which he is not interested, then place into higher level courses in the subjects he wants to pursue. Then he can spend the majority of the four years on advanced and possibly grad level courses. The worst situation would be having to start back at zero. He likes math for example, and plans on finishing through Differential Eq's before graduating highschool. I think he would turn down any school that would require him to start back at Calc I.
  • sbjdorlosbjdorlo Registered User Posts: 5,264 Senior Member
    OP, I think even if colleges don't take the classes as transfer credit, they have departmental exams so a student who knows his stuff won't need to repeat material.

    My oldest began part time enrollment at the local community college (CC) at age 12. Unlike your son, he and we weren't interested in him attending full time. He took 1-2 classes a semester for 5 1/2 years, sometimes not taking any for a semester. He also audited (for free) 5 semesters worth of physics classes at two local universities. He had about 55 CC credits and 19 unofficial univ. audits.

    But my son also did online classes, local homeschool honors lit classes, and self-study for his homeschooling experience. We definitely didn't want it just to be at the local CC, though he had a really good experience. He focused exclusively on math and physics from 7th-10th grade and then when he was out of classes in those subjects, he took two semesters of Arabic and a semester of US History. We weren't interested in him taking other humanities courses at the CC.

    He also took 6 AP exams (5 at the time of application), all in the subjects he studied at the CC: math and physics. He also took the Lit exam in senior year.

    Our attitude about transferring units was this: great if he can get it, but he was prepared to repeat stuff.

    In the end, surprisingly, he was able to transfer all his math classes and the Calc AP exam to MIT, and was able to start in upper division math classes. As well, he got GE credit for Arabic but didn't try to get credit for US History (I wish he would have, though). I was very surprised that he got credit and very, very happy. He's now done with all the required courses for his math degree and can have a little fun with other classes in his last two years (like music).

    He did not get credit for any of his physics classes, because MIT only grants credit for Mechanics if you get a 5 on both the M and the E&M AP exams, and my son took those in freshman year without studying and got a 5 and a 4. So yes, he had to repeat M and E&M, but at MIT, they have three levels and he took the hardest (think olympiad physics), and it was plenty hard. He actually ended up TAing in E&M this semester since he did well in the class last year.

    Our goal in homeschooling was really to follow his love of learning, so he was very lopsided and it was ok. He wasn't in a hurry and he didn't want to graduate early, so he did a ton of non-academic ECs as well as chess, physics and math competitions.

    It was a wonderful life with little stress for him. I wouldn't say he was academically totally challenged. He managed straight As pretty easily. MIT has been a great place to really challenge him.

    I would say the downside to what we did and what you're doing if your son doesn't graduate early is that some kids, like my son, get tired of taking classes and doing homework. My son *loves* to work (doing an summer internship doing data analysis) and earn income. He loves MIT but definitely doesn't love homework. He's a super extrovert people person and it's the people that keep him going. :-)

    Something to think about.
  • turtletimeturtletime Registered User Posts: 1,244 Senior Member
    When my D was doing her research, only 2 schools would give no credit and they were rather unusual schools (they didn't give units for AP's either.) They still allowed classes to be used for placement.

    Honestly, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a school that will stick him back into Calc 1 even if they didn't want to give him degree credit for his CC classes. If you come across a school that does want to send him back then it'll be that much easier to pare down his final application list.

    For what it's worth, my D has found most CC classes much more challenging that the AP's she took when in a traditional school. The AP's were more "labor intensive" but so much of the grade was based on note-taking, repetitive assignments and "participation." It took a whole year of daily classes to get through a textbook meant to be completed in 1 semester, 3 hours a week at a university. CC allows her to learn the material in the most productive way "for her" as opposed to spending hours a night learning how her teacher's thought was best (and then spending an extra hour re-learning in her own style.) As a homeschooler, I'm sure you can appreciate that. D's been pretty mortified at the gaps she feels in certain college subjects for which she should have had a good foundation based on her AP class grades and test scores. I'm not saying that there aren't many fantastic AP classes and teachers out there. I had some great ones back in the day (when high schools only offered 3 or 4 max and only the most ambitious students were expected to take them.) I'm just saying that while many people will try to convince you that CC classes are inferior as a rule, that's not the experience we've had.
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