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Go for ED2 or keep trying for ED/deferred school?

brantlybrantly 3689 replies66 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 3,755 Senior Member
edited December 2014 in Parents Forum
Such a hard decision. My daughter was deferred from her ED school. This puts her in a tough spot. She still really wants that ED school and after Jan 1 will send an ILY letter and update with new accomplishments. She'll also try to meet with admissions people, professors, whoever she can. But she's not sure if she's chasing something unattainable and foolishly forfeiting the opportunity to apply ED2 somewhere else. What do you all think? It feels like such a gamble.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 76099 replies663 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 76,762 Senior Member
    Does she have any clear first choice of all other schools that happens to offer ED2 and is clearly affordable? If not, then applying ED2 makes no sense.

    Has she applied to other schools, especially affordable safeties, that she likes?
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  • lookingforwardlookingforward 32206 replies336 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 32,542 Senior Member
    If she loves the school, nothing lost in keeping the hope alive (along with the right back-up apps to other schools.) But when she decides what steps to take after 1/1, really try to know which are more effective. Depending on the college, it may not be meeting with (or contacting) more people. Go back over what the college says on its web site, any sort of "what we look for" info, the kinds of students they give as successful examples, then see how she can project that.
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  • shawnspencershawnspencer 3098 replies12 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 3,110 Senior Member
    For me, it wouldnt really make sense applying ED to a school that is not my first choice. It may be worth lookong into how many students that are accepted after being deffered though
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  • mnm111mnm111 638 replies7 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 645 Member
    What schools are you talking about? Being vague is not helpful. Some schools take very few deferred applicants. Some schools never "reject" from the ED pool. Deferral from that type of school can be considered like a rejection.
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  • oldfortoldfort 22726 replies288 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 23,014 Senior Member
    It is a gamble. The way I would look at is if the ED II a step down in ranking relative to the ED I school. If so, then I would not do ED II, but rather take a gamble on RD with your original list.

    As an example, if your kid has the stats of applying to top tier schools, but was deferred by the ED school, I wouldn't apply ED II to Lehigh, Lafayette, Skidmore...I would apply ED II to Middlebury, Tufts, Swarthmore. My reason is If your kid applied to a school like Williams ED I and was deferred, it doesn't mean she will have no chance at Williams' peer schools during RD, so why step down for ED II.

    I personally haven't seen that many deferred turned acceptance over the years. Unless your kid will have a lot more to show the ED adcoms (like major award, upward trend GPA), I wouldn't be too hoepful.
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  • oldfortoldfort 22726 replies288 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 23,014 Senior Member
    Here is a list of ED II schools:
    http://www.aristotlecircle.com/sites/default/files/Schools Offering Early Decision 2.pdf
    Most of them are LACs. If your daughter was deferred by a large uni, why would she be happy at a LAC?
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  • lookingforwardlookingforward 32206 replies336 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 32,542 Senior Member
    Deferred does put the candidate in the RD pile. They get a new, fresh review, same as if the kid applied RD, in the first place.
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  • oldfortoldfort 22726 replies288 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 23,014 Senior Member
    Why would they get a new, fresh review? I am sure there would be notes from the ED review. Why wouldn't adcom read those notes again?
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  • lookingforwardlookingforward 32206 replies336 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 32,542 Senior Member
    edited December 2014
    The one I'm familiar with deletes old notes and ratings, but keeps correspondence. Oldfort, I think we're talking Cornell.

    Why a fresh start? They like a kid enough to keep him active but then compare him with all the RD applicants from that area on a level basis.

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  • oldfortoldfort 22726 replies288 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 23,014 Senior Member
    Hmmm, I didn't know Cornell did that. Common sense tells me that they would keep old notes.

    D1 was deferred from Columbia. Her regional rep knew her very well and pushed for her to be admitted RD. When they couldn't offer a spot, the regional rep said she didn't want to WL D1, but instead to let her move on. We knew all this through her GC. In this case, I don't think they deleted old notes.
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  • laticheverlatichever 1431 replies91 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,522 Senior Member
    The Ephblog, not an official Williams blog, comments that about 15 deferred students are annually accepted during the RD round. That's about a 5 percent acceptance rate, which is significantly lower than the ED rate of 40 percent or the overall RD rate of 18 percent. No idea how this compares to other schools.
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  • blossomblossom 9591 replies9 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 9,600 Senior Member
    If it were my kid I'd be less concerned about the blogs and the numbers and more concerned about her mindset. There is some probability that she will end up at a college which is NOT the ED school. This seems to be a realistic assessment of the situation. Not that she CAN'T get in- but that right now, she hasn't been admitted.

    With that in mind, I'd be downplaying the love for the ED school and working hard to get her enthusiastic about all the other fine colleges on her list. Don't wait until April 30th for her to decide that she can tolerate being somewhere else. Get her there now.

    If she ends up accepted to the ED school in the regular round- Wow!

    If she ends up going somewhere else (clearly a more likely outcome) you'd like her feeling Wow about that.

    Time to help her move on IMHO. Coming up with an ED2 option doesn't seem to be a helpful strategy here. If she loved any of her ED2 schools, she'd have likely expressed that love earlier in the process, no????
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  • oldfortoldfort 22726 replies288 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 23,014 Senior Member
    I think a student could have a first choice and a close second.
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  • mathmommathmom 31930 replies155 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 32,085 Senior Member
    I'm not a big fan of ED, especially not ED done out of some kind of notion that you need to do it to increase your chances. If School 1 is still her first choice, she should wait. Schools vary a lot in what a deferral means. Georgetown, for example, doesn't reject anyone EA, so the deferral means very little. At other schools it really does mean you were in the running - a belated award, a mid-year report with grades higher than your current GPA may make a real difference.
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