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Schools with "harsh" fraternity and/or sorority systems or those with disagreeable practices


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  • OHMomof2OHMomof2 13231 replies247 threads Senior Member
    This can be googled. SMU:
    Avg. $1,300 per semester, ranging from $950 - $1,600

    Avg. $1,550 per semester, ranging from $1,200 - $2,450

    Avg. $6,400 per semester, ranging from $4,840 - $7,100
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  • 2019hope2019hope 201 replies0 threads Junior Member
    edited April 2016
    UT Austin Took me awhile to find it

    Member Status/Semester Low Range High Range

    New Member Fall Semester $1450.00 $2372.50
    New Member Spring Semester $1231.80 $1921.00
    Active Member Living In-House per Semester* $4385.00 $6118.75
    Active Member Living Out-of-House per Semester $1185.70 $1635.00
    edited April 2016
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  • ZinheadZinhead 2473 replies137 threads Senior Member
    Concerning Alabama, this school has seen incredible growth in enrollment in recent years as follows:

    2015 - 37,000
    2012 - 33,600
    2008 - 28,000
    2004 - 21,000
    2000 - 19,000

    With increasing enrollment, both sororities and fraternities have constructed new chapters. These tend to be large, luxury buildings with a high level of amenities, and they are very expensive to build. It is not surprising that sorority fees can be really high as the cost of the new buildings must be amortized and mortgages paid for.
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  • PizzagirlPizzagirl 40174 replies320 threads Senior Member
    And of course the value of that differs campus to campus. For example, for those who live out, a required meal plan at a Greek house may be great if the house is convenient / as convenient as the dorm cafeteria. But it may be a bad deal if the house is inconveniently located off campus / a schlep to get there so the student winds up missing the meals there or has to keep a meal plan at a "home" cafeteria.

    Some systems require the live-outs to eat all their meals at the house; others require only a chapter dinner one night a week. The costs reflect that as well - another reason that it is very school-specific.

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  • EllieMomEllieMom 1872 replies11 threads Senior Member
    It took me a while, but I found this little blurb about costs of membership on the website at my daughter's campus. I'm not sure it clarifies much and probably just reiterates the YMMV caveats that have been suggested:

    "Cost also varies widely between each organization, though amounts can range between $0 and $700 a semester. Dues cover things like national insurance, leadership development, scholastic resources, and programming. Most fraternities and sororities offer chapter and national scholarships available to individuals with difficulty paying membership fees. Students are encouraged to ask questions about membership fees before joining an organization to understand the group's cost structure."
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  • FallGirlFallGirl 8302 replies28 threads Senior Member
    Back in the day , my medium size university handed out a booklet to all girls going through rush which spelled out the cost of each. It was very important to me because I was on a limited budget. I lived in the house for one year (most girls lived in 1 or 2 years, some never did) and it was cheaper than room and board in the dorms. The food was a lot better, too.
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  • PizzagirlPizzagirl 40174 replies320 threads Senior Member
    EllieMom, I know a girl who is Greek at your D's school. She is not at all the stereotypical sorority girl.
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  • OvertheedgeOvertheedge 1202 replies1 threads Senior Member
    I much prefer second semester Rush. When students Rush at the beginning of school, they're likely to form fewer close friendships outside of their organization. Much of their time will be spent with the people in their house. With delayed Rush, especially when the Greek system is non-residential or only a limited number of members live in a house, there's a greater tendency to form close friendships with members of other organizations and independents.
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  • dadof1dadof1 680 replies16 threads Member
    ^Couldn't agree more @overtheedge.
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  • STEM2017STEM2017 4107 replies96 threads Senior Member
    Question for the Greek experts. If a freshman decides not to rush, will there be another chance for him/her in sophomore year? I know every school is different, but what is typical?
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  • PizzagirlPizzagirl 40174 replies320 threads Senior Member
    Yes, but generally speaking it's harder to get in as a soph. Again the degree to which it's harder differs school by school.
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  • austinmshauriaustinmshauri 9509 replies361 threads Senior Member
    Pizzagirl wrote:
    It is a bad idea, and completely counterproductive, to say "well, I just want to attend events at houses 1,2,6 and 8 and skip the rest." Where would you have gotten the idea that you only care to meet the girls at 1,2,6 and 8? From the stereotype that they are the "hot houses"? Based off what?

    Thanks for the explanation. You and Zinhead have both been very helpful. I have nothing against fraternities or sororities in general. I thought they were part of one larger organization with a group of clubs for women and another set for men, sort of like 4-H, I guess. 4-H groups can create their local club around whatever interests they want as long as they follow national's guidelines. So individual chapters are only as good as the people running them. I thought Greek houses were like that.

    I actually didn't think about the popularity of the houses at all. I wouldn't know a popular sorority if I fell over it. I'm an introvert, so having to be "on" for 9 or 10 houses in a row would be a challenge. I picked houses based on how much of a mental break I'd have inbetween events. I assumed each would have a brief description of what sort of activities they sponsor, so girls who like outdoor events would ask to join a group that sponsors hikes, and girls who like to participate in service projects would ask to join a house that does a lot of that. But it doesn't sound like that's the way they work.

    It sounds like rush involves rounds of parties where everybody gets introduced to everyone else and each side is supposed to pick based on what felt like a fit. So the difference isn't in the activities they sponsor, it's just the individuals who make up the group? If that's the case, I'm not getting why rush is so difficult. Are there so few spots that girls who pick based on where they felt comfortable won't get a bid, or is it that a lot of girls want spots at the same few houses?
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  • PizzagirlPizzagirl 40174 replies320 threads Senior Member
    "I assumed each would have a brief description of what sort of activities they sponsor, so girls who like outdoor events would ask to join a group that sponsors hikes, and girls who like to participate in service projects would ask to join a house that does a lot of that. But it doesn't sound like that's the way they work."

    No. Because really, stripping it all away, on any given campus they pretty much do the same things. They hold mixers or exchanges with fraternities. They hold formals or other theme parties (barn dance, whatever). They do a philanthropy - each sorority has a national philanthropy (heart, blindness, etc). The makeup of these things may look different based on the campus (eg a campus near a big city might hold parties in a downtown hotel, which isn't accessible to a rural campus; a southern campus might have pool or lake based activities that are inaccessible for northern canpuses). It's the girls themselves who make the difference - but it's really not all that different. I hapoened to have gotten my first choice but I would have been equally happy with probably 8 of the 12 houses on my campus - I just would have made different friendships, that's all.
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  • PizzagirlPizzagirl 40174 replies320 threads Senior Member
    And this is why the "house 1s" could be jocks on one campus, bookworms on another, socialites on a third. Or they could be super strong at college A and really weak at college B. So that's why you don't want to go in thinking "I want to be a member of house 1" just because your mom or your best friend were. Glad this clears it up!
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  • PizzagirlPizzagirl 40174 replies320 threads Senior Member
    ... Which is why it is super frustrating on College Confidential that when the house 1s at College A do a bad thing or are portrayed a certain way, the houses 2-8 on the same campus get maligned, and/or the house 1s on other campuses. No one's condoning bad things, but it's just nowhere near as centralized as people seem to think. The bleach blonde bubbleheads at College A could be the brainiac chapter at College B. How would each of them know?? I have no clue what my house's reputation is elsewhere.
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  • millie210millie210 524 replies24 threads Member
    I read the first page of the thread and skipped right to the end, so I apologize if this question has been answered, but I'm hoping someone can explain something to me about all? most? many? some? sororities for which appearance is a factor in who gets accepted.

    My understanding is that sororities are at least nominally designed to promote friendship and community and that one of the big selling points of Greek life is friends for life. What do looks have to do with it?

    Over the course of my life the girls and the women I have known have varied in how pretty they are, how nice their figure is and how well they dress. And, of course, I can see the differences. But it's never been a factor in who I'm friends with. My friends are my friends because they're fun, interesting, smart, etc. I don't want to sleep with them; I want to hang out with them. This was true in high school, in college and as an adult.

    So I'm very curious to hear from people who belong to, want to belong to or generally support the idea of appearance being a factor in sorority rush. What on earth does appearance have to do with friendship?
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  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone 24103 replies19 threads Senior Member
    Appearance may not be all that important to some houses, other than a basic sense of good grooming.

    If you look at pictures of many houses, they aren't all just Barbie dolls. Tall, short, wild hair, lots or make up or none at all. Yes, many of the pictures used for recruiting show the most beautiful girls, but so do the photos the college uses on recruiting brochures. My daughter's photo has been used on several promotional pieces because she is smiley, beautiful, and a minority.
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