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"Audit Blast Penn State on Out of State Students"

Gator88NEGator88NE Registered User Posts: 5,417 Senior Member
Note that this audit is really a follow-up to the Jerry Sandusky case. In fact, two of the three main findings are directly related to that case. Those being concerns over PSU's governance and Campus Security. The 3rd area of concern is over the increasing cost of PSU's tuition, with the out-of-state student issue being a subset of that concern.
A state audit issued Thursday blasted Pennsylvania State University for substantial increases in out-of-state applicants, especially international applicants, admitted. Data released in the audit showed that Pennsylvania resident enrollment at the flagship campus dropped from 76.5 percent in 1990 to 56.2 percent in 2015. Further, in 11 of the last 16 years, including the most recent seven, the admit rate was higher for out-of-state students than in-state students. Penn State officials said that they did not favor out-of-state students, but did see them as a source of revenue since they pay more than do in-state students.

The audit rejected this logic. "While using nonresidents to subsidize the resident tuition may be viewed as a smart business decision, it is not without a cost -- underrepresentation of low-income and historically underrepresented racial/ethnic minority students," the audit said "PSU must remain committed to its primary mission as a public, land-grant university for Pennsylvania residents."

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2017/06/23/audit-blasts-penn-state-out-state-students

http://www.paauditor.gov/Media/Default/Reports/PSU Audit Report.pdf

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Replies to: "Audit Blast Penn State on Out of State Students"

  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston Registered User Posts: 11,349 Senior Member
    Penn State supporters are already dismissing this out of hand as politics. They are saying the Auditor General is just playing politics and that AG stands for Aspiring Governor.

    They still don't get it.
  • ZinheadZinhead Registered User Posts: 2,610 Senior Member
    People told me Penn State was a private institution just like Cornell. Why is the state getting involved?
  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston Registered User Posts: 11,349 Senior Member
    edited June 23
    @Zinhead Penn State is not private. It is a "state related" university receiving substantial state funding. The governor and several high ranking legislative and executive staff are ex officio members of the Board of Trustees.
  • monydadmonydad Registered User Posts: 7,454 Senior Member
    edited June 23
    "Pennsylvania resident enrollment at the flagship campus dropped from 76.5 percent in 1990 to 56.2 percent
    in 2015"

    It would be interesting to see a chart of the annual funding revenue the university received from the state of Pennsylvania, for each year of the period 1985 to 2015.

    If the State stops paying the freight, the university can either curtail operations or look for revenue elsewhere. Many have done the latter.

    Fwiw, most of the statements in post #4 are not in conflict with post #3. Except for exact numbers, a couple of legal decisions, and the common perception of which is called "private".
    Maybe in #3, "similar in some respects to", or "along the lines of", might be better terminology than "just like"?
    This came up in another recent thread.
  • IvytIvyt Registered User Posts: 3,530 Senior Member
    Maybe the state should increase funding if they want the school to keep in-state students?
  • wisteria100wisteria100 Registered User Posts: 2,979 Senior Member
    Perhaps they need the $ to pay off the legal fees and the lawsuit settlements stemming from the Sandusky and hazing death scandals.
  • bester1bester1 Registered User Posts: 922 Member
    edited June 23
    @Gatormama....perfectly stated!
    http://triblive.com/news/education/12431474-74/audit-penn-state-most-expensive-public-university-in-big-ten-conference
    24 branch campuses and most of them (not all) function as community colleges. Yet they are doing a study on how to consolidate the PASSHE schools even though they are made up of 90% PA residents. Funding should be reduced to state related and let them attract as many OOS students as possible since middle class PA residents can not afford them as it stands now. Penn State is a mess. Sandusky/Joe Paterno and now son Jay Paterno on the Board of Trustees, Fraternity tragedy, underground sororities/fraternities, making it harder for in state students to be accepted/former administrators in jail.....they are insulated from the rest of the world. Again....some great students but management/leadership is pathetic. After the Sandusky situation they hired the president from Florida state that covered up a rape....it is non stop and it needs to change.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/penn-state-names-fsus-eric-barron-its-new-president/
    https://newrepublic.com/article/117403/florida-state-rape-scandal-penn-states-new-president-fsu
  • bester1bester1 Registered User Posts: 922 Member
    edited June 23
    Honestly...the study/review should have been in regards to Penn State and all of the branches instead of PASSHE or at least include all of the PA Public Higher Education Institutions. The State Auditor General's report only confirm this.

  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 31,470 Senior Member
    Penn state, Pitt and Temple function like Cornell's contract colleges wrt nys and sunys, but without the generous financial aid.
    I want to note that there are also Pitt branches which are quite successful on their segments, where they beat Penn state's branches (in Western Pennsylvania, Pitt Johnstown> PSU Greater Allegheny for example).
    But the reality is that funding cuts were recovered through international students (they increased admission requirements two years ago BTW) and increased OOS students.
    The students, staff, and faculty are by and large great people doing a great job but I agree there's a problem at the top.
  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 9,999 Senior Member
    @MYOS1634: "Penn state, Pitt and Temple function like Cornell's contract colleges wrt nys and sunys, but without the generous financial aid."

    Yep. Of course, PSU also offers lower in-state tuition to many more times more in-state residents than Cornell does to it's in-state residents despite getting roughly the same amount of state support as Cornell does.
  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston Registered User Posts: 11,349 Senior Member
    Most of Cornell is completely private.
  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 9,999 Senior Member
    @TomSrOfBoston: "Most of Cornell is completely private. "

    Yet, last time I checked, Cornell received almost exactly as much state funding from NYS as UVa received from VA. Yet, despite that, the number of NYS residents who get an in-state discount from Cornell is a small fraction of the number of VA residents who get an in-state discount from UVa. And the Cornell in-state tuition is several times the UVa in-state tuition.

    Really, the people who should be pissed off most should be the citizens of NYS who get a terrible deal from their state land-grant.
    Yet oddly, people on CC focus on schools like PSU and UIUC while giving Cornell a free pass.
    Can someone explain why that is to me?
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