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Overenrolled Colleges

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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 63,499 Senior Member
    ChoatieMom wrote:
    Anyway, on the subject the subject of overenrollment, there is a raging discussion on the (non-CC) service academy forum about the ethics and morality of academy appointees putting down deposits and holding on to acceptances from their "plan B" colleges until they get through summer basic training in the event of either a medical turnback or deciding that the military isn't for them. (Basic training ends in plenty of time to proceed with plan B if necessary.).

    Around here, it is generally considered unethical to matriculate to more than one selective college at the same time (not limited to service academies).
  • ChoatieMomChoatieMom Registered User Posts: 3,645 Senior Member
    edited August 13
    A student can only matriculate to one college. ;) Also, because the academies are free, there is no double-deposit. And, unlike civilian colleges, academy apppointees DO get hurt and/or get medical turnbacks during basic training and absolutely need that fallback. The academy admissions process emphasizes having that plan B, but there are still people who aren't OK with that. And that's fine; no one is forcing their child to hold on to a plan B. However, every year on that forum, there are stories of kids who don't finish basic training and have nowhere to go that year.
  • dadoftwingirlsdadoftwingirls Registered User Posts: 675 Member
    "and have nowwhere to go that year." There is always community college.
  • MACmiracleMACmiracle Registered User Posts: 953 Member
    If a student meets the criteria to get into an academy, they will have good opportunities for merit elsewhere. If the go to CC, they will lose the chance for good merit. For many kids, this would affect their ability to afford college.

    I heard of an ROTC scholarship recipient who lost his scholarship at the last minute for a medical reason. It's tricky because the medical test are the last step. And then you might have to get a waiver that's decided on a case by case basis. It's a tough position for a kid to be in.

    My D had been interested in the AF ROTC, but she has a medical history. She could go through the application process, be accepted, enroll in a college we couldn't afford without the scholarship, and then be told she didn't receive a medical waiver. I have very mixed feeling about her taking that path without a good plan B.

  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 63,499 Senior Member
    Since the other colleges presumably do not like the idea of someone committing to two colleges at the same time, do they make exceptions for when the other college is a service academy?
  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 9,999 Senior Member
    @ucbalumnus: They may not like it, but they also know it happens.

    It's not like colleges are unaware of and can not deal with summer melt.
  • techmom99techmom99 Registered User Posts: 1,868 Senior Member
    @MACmiracle - My son has a friend who was discovered to have color blindness during the ROTC screening process. It was apparently so mild that it was never an issue as he grew up but he failed the detailed testing and was kicked out of the running. He's adopted so his mom said that at least she and her H weren't blaming each other for it! He had advanced pretty far in the process as he is truly a brilliant young man and an Eagle Scout.

    I hadn't really thought about what @ChoatieMom said about cadets/plebes, etc. needing a backup plan, but it makes tremendous sense to me on consideration. These young people are ready and willing to serve our country and then something makes that unworkable, why should they lose a year - they already lose their deposit if they stay in service.
  • suzyQ7suzyQ7 Registered User Posts: 3,015 Senior Member
    Bumping this - hoping that with all the move-ins we'll hear more chatter on which schools were overenrolled.
  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston Registered User Posts: 11,606 Senior Member
    From today's Boston Herald:
    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2017/08/special_report_tuition_spikes_send_higher_education_enrollment_tumbling

    This runs counter to the trend that this thread discusses. It appears that small liberal arts colleges and non-STEM specialized colleges are bearing the brunt of this decline. Not mentioned in the article are sharp declines in enrolment at some lower tier state colleges.

    In the Boston Fenway area Wheelock and SFMA have taken the next step to merger with universities and Simmons has had an enrolment drop too. While Wentworth Institute of Technology is doing well and building new buildings.

    One of the reasons for Northeastern's rise in the past two decades is its emphasis on career preparation. Even though liberal arts purists still look down on that type of school.

  • aquaptaquapt Registered User Posts: 243 Junior Member
    As previously mentioned, Scripps had a significantly higher yield than they expected, leading to a freshman class that's over-enrolled by about 80 students - more than 30% over their target. They were scrambling on housing placements until the very last minute, placing 40 freshmen in off-campus apartments owned by Claremont Graduate University, after few upperclassmen responded to the anemic incentives they were offered to move. Nevertheless, move-in went quite smoothly, and I have to give Scripps credit for staffing up and making the classes available that the entering students needed. My daughter got the classes she wanted with the professors she'd hoped for, and her largest class has 22 students. They're making it work!
  • NashvilletoTexasNashvilletoTexas Registered User Posts: 148 Junior Member
    @TomSrOfBoston

    One curious turn of language that I see in this article is it starts with "A startling decline in U.S. college enrollment" and then cites the census numbers from 2011 vs 2015 of the "# of Americans enrolled at a colleges or universities" as its evidence for this claim.

    One does not imply the others. Americans enrolling at Universities could be going down while enrollment at U.S. Colleges is not.

    To make matters worse, they fail to qualify the actual # with any relative % of college-aged Americans, yet still call the decline "startling". And to top it off, they assign a cause to it all -- rising tuition prices -- without even attempting to show a relationship.

    Headline Journalism at its finest!
  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston Registered User Posts: 11,606 Senior Member
    @NashvilletoTexas Agreed! It gets website clicks which helps raise ad rates. :))

    A month ago there was an article, I forget where, that blamed the current administration for a sharp decline in international college applicants. It stated that 36% of colleges reported fewer international applicants. It did not mention the fact that apparently 64% of colleges had a steady or increasing number of international applicants.
  • barronsbarrons Registered User Posts: 24,594 Senior Member
    Not to mention the end of foreign tourism in the US. ;)) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-slump-for-foreign-tourism-not-yet/
  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston Registered User Posts: 11,606 Senior Member
    Followup to my original post: Boston University was 90 students overenrolled and Boston College is 112 students overenrolled. Northeastern has not announced final enrolment figures yet. None of them wwnt to their waitlists.
  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston Registered User Posts: 11,606 Senior Member
    Northeastern just (quietly) released its freshman stats for fall 2017 in a disclosure to Moody's. They were overenrolled by 308 freshmen!.

    http://www.dacbond.com/GetContent?id=0900bbc78020d399
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