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535 Students....or 3 Football coaches?

EyeVeeeEyeVeee Registered User Posts: 487 Member
An article in the NYTimes this morning talks about schools that have not only very expensive coaches....but several of them currently on the payroll.{quote]What if a college football team not only paid its own head coach but another one? And another one?

It happens all the time — practically every time a team fires a coach. Thanks to ever-faster turnover, with coaches routinely fired after only a few disappointing seasons, many colleges are paying millions of dollars in “dead money” to former coaches even as they shell out even more for new ones. At least two major programs, in fact, are at this very moment paying for three head coaches.[/quote]The discussion Title relates to Texas
Texas is in effect paying, or at least helping to pay, three head coaches this season. There is, of course, its own first-year head coach, Tom Herman, whom it hired away from Houston late last year. Herman’s first-year salary of $5.25 million catapulted him into the top tier of college coaches in only his third season in charge of a program.

Then there is Texas’ previous coach, Charlie Strong. The university fired Strong in November, three years into a five-year contract, requiring Texas to pay him about $5.2 million for each of the remaining two seasons. Strong’s contract obligated him to try to mitigate his buyout with a new job, which he did, getting hired as the coach at the University of South Florida. But South Florida wisely structured Strong’s contract to take advantage of Texas’ obligation, paying him just $1 million in each of his first two years before kicking in a large raise once Strong leaves the Texas payroll. His South Florida compensation knocked $500,000 off Texas’ annual contribution, meaning the Longhorns will pay him about $4.7 million this year (and also next year).

Finally, Texas is also effectively subsidizing the salary of Houston’s new coach, Major Applewhite. As a condition of Herman’s contract with Houston, he owed the Cougars $2.5 million for breaking his deal to take the new job. But Texas assumed that obligation and, according to the Houston athletic director’s reported remarks, declined Houston’s offer to make up that deficit by scheduling home-and-home series in basketball and football. The lump sum Texas will pay instead should take care of nearly two years of Applewhite’s $1.5 million salary.
So at $25,100 for tuition, it takes 535 full pay students just to pay for the football coaches. I find this appauling.

I'm expecting the "Program still makes money" responses....but that doesn't make it right. Somewhere, there are thousands of kids who could use that money. Is there a point where people say enough is enough....we're not going to beat Alabama, so no need to chase them with high 7 figure coaches salaries? If so....does the entire profession suffer a bit (a relative description), or do things stay as they are? Talk amongst yourselves.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/sports/ncaafootball/ncaa-coaches-salary.html?mabReward=CTM1&recid=98750ce3-8750-4aba-690b-217aa15f8a41&recp=8&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&region=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine&_r=0
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Replies to: 535 Students....or 3 Football coaches?

  • 80sMusicParent80sMusicParent Registered User Posts: 10 New Member
    I think we, as a society, need to have discussions about what we want and how we are going to pay for it. I don't understand why our elected leaders don't run the country the way responsible people run their households.

    You have a budget, right? You prioritize the things you need and want for you and your kids and then you determine the best ways to pay for it, right? Why can't the people running the government, or running universities, do the same thing?

    We already have K-12 education paid for by the public/taxpayers. Do we want health care to be paid for by the P/TP's or not? If we do, how will we pay for it? How much do we need for defense, and science and the center for disease control and border protection and welfare and everything else we say we want?

    I know your post is about football coaches and yes salaries for football coaches and their staffs are out of control. Tuition is out of control. Health care costs are out of control. Real estate, either buying or renting, is another cost that is out of control. That is why I think if we approached things from a "how much do we generate in tax revenues" as a starting point and then had a politisized but regulated by normal people not bought and paid for politicians way to allocate those resources to what we need as a society we'd be better off. Maybe college should be paid for by the P/TP's but we are already $20 T in debt and that tells me we do not want to pay in taxes enough to cover all the things we think we want.
  • 80sMusicParent80sMusicParent Registered User Posts: 10 New Member
    I think we as a society just need to prioritize what we want and what we are willing to pay for through taxes. Do we want the TP's to pay for college, health care, etc. or not? I know your post was about football coaches and how their costs affect tuition but I think in a free enterprise society that will happen.
  • kiddiekiddie Registered User Posts: 2,655 Senior Member
    Yes, this is a terrible waste of money and happens with college sports coaches. However, it happens with other employees (both at schools and companies). Even local high schools who "fire" an administrator end up paying out their contract. Lots of big companies,fire a CEO or other high paid executive and end up paying them for several more years. The real problem is that companies/schools are forced to have these types of contracts with employees at all. My contract where I work allows either side to end at will with no payment once employment ends - but people making millions typically sign contracts that require payment even if you are terminated.
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone Registered User Posts: 14,104 Senior Member
    The football coaches making that kind of money are paid entirely by the money the football program brings in. You need to worry more about fired administrators still being paid, or law suits against/by professors, or required administrative required reporting costing millions. That comes from the general operating budget.

    Big college football is big business, no different than the NFL. Houston traded Brock Osweiller to Cleveland and now he will play for Denver. Again. Denver pays the league minimum ($780K) and Cleveland will pay the rest of his $16M salary.
  • MaineLonghornMaineLonghorn Super Moderator Posts: 31,368 Super Moderator
    edited September 9
    Yes, the Texas football program MAKES money for the school. I know this is true because my father was head of UT's Men's Athletic Council for many years. He was also an engineering professor for 52 years and was inducted into the National Academy of Engineering. He just retired in 2016. He is the most honorable man you could ever meet, and would not condone anything that would hurt academics.
    I'm expecting the "Program still makes money" responses....but that doesn't make it right.

    Not following that logic AT ALL. Football is NOT taking away money from any kids!


  • northwestynorthwesty Registered User Posts: 2,749 Senior Member
    At most colleges, football does actually drain money away from the academic side. Which is problematic.

    But not at places like Texas, Penn State, Bama, ND.

    At those schools, football (i) pays for itself (including writing a check to the academic side for the scholarships it uses), and (ii) pays for all of the other sports (including scholarship costs). Especially womens sports. Basically the athletic department eats everything that it kills (primarily in the form of football and mens hoops).

    At a very few places (like ND), there's still money left over that gets sent to the academic side.
  • northwestynorthwesty Registered User Posts: 2,749 Senior Member
    The primary reason why these high end athletic departments have so much money to spend on coaches?

    Because NCAA rules prohibit paying the players beyond scholarships. Those are the kids from whom the money comes.
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone Registered User Posts: 14,104 Senior Member
    But schools that don't make money on football don't pay their coaches $5M per year either.
  • roycroftmomroycroftmom Registered User Posts: 538 Member
    It's not Texas that should be concerned about the money spent on football-as others have noted, that football team is a revenue source which supported all male and female athletics at UT-Austin, and provided a multi-million dollar gift to the liberal arts school. The 80 slots those football players take makes no difference in an undergraduate student body of 40 thousand. By contrast, at the Ivy League and elite LACs, those teams lose money for the university, and take slots from other students competing in a small student body-80 out of 2000 at Williams.
  • moscottmoscott Registered User Posts: 839 Member
    So I assume you would also have a problem with Northwestern putting out $260 million for an athletic facility?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-northwestern-football-facility-recruiting-greenstein-spt-1009-20161008-column.html

    These colleges know exactly what they are doing and it's working for them. If it wasn't then they would stop in a heartbeat.
  • happy1happy1 Registered User Posts: 18,210 Senior Member
    edited September 9
    The last paragraph about the article on the same topic from Business Insider:
    "Of course, a lot of the money being spent on the coaches will come indirectly from the deep pockets of the school's alumni and boosters. In addition, this amounts still pale in comparison to the roughly $120 million in revenue the football generates annually."
    http://www.businessinsider.com/university-texas-football-coaches-salaries-buyouts-2016-11
    Football is a revenue generating sport for a select few colleges including UT.
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