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First Harvard, then Pomona (meme group)

OHMomof2OHMomof2 12391 replies228 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 12,619 Senior Member
edited September 2017 in Parents Forum
I guess these kids didn't take the Harvard lesson, though they are enrolled already so this should be interesting to watch.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/09/26/racist-facebook-page-discovered-pomona

http://claremontindependent.com/dark-underbelly-claremont-meme/ - original story in Claremont paper

http://tsl.news/news/6868/ - some of the memes
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  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 41134 replies445 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 41,579 Senior Member
    What is it with memes? (...a year ago I didn't even know what Memes were... I'd only seen the term as applied to "rewriting funny dialogue over a scene from The Fall")
    And what about it makes teens want to be the opposite of "good stewards and decent representatives of their College"?
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  • CorinthianCorinthian 1777 replies61 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,838 Senior Member
    Further developments: Pomona declares a "bias related incident." http://tsl.news/news/6875/ and http://claremontindependent.com/pomona-declares-meme-group-bias-incident/. It will be interesting to see what happens. Note that California Educ. Code Sec. 94367, also known as the "Leonard Law," prohibits private colleges from making or enforcing any rule that would subject a student to disciplinary action for engaging in expression (on or off campus) that would be protected by the First Amendment or the California Constitution's free expression provision if it occurred off campus. http://www.splc.org/article/1992/09/california-leonard-law-private-colleges?id=14
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  • maya54maya54 2025 replies85 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 2,110 Senior Member
    Here's another fascinating part of this. The author of the Claremont Independent article was fired as Editor in Chief after writing that article. I know because his father is a columnist for the Chicago Sun Times and has blogged about the incident (Neil Steinberg at his Every Goddamn Day blog).

    I was unaware of that lawwhich is a fascinating law . Pamona would be idiotic to discipline students in light of it.
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  • Snowball CitySnowball City 1714 replies51 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,765 Senior Member
    Here is the reporting from the 5C newspaper

    http://tsl.news/news/6875/
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  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 41134 replies445 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 41,579 Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    I don't understand why the student was fired for writing that oped though. The op-ed reads like typical opinion editorials. By definition try contain an opinion.

    Isn't hate speech not covered by freedom of speech? Or do the 'memes" not reach the definition of hate speech?
    I understand there's a difference between making a joke about killing someone and advocating killing someone so I find the law very interesting.
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  • melvin123melvin123 1522 replies18 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,540 Senior Member
    Why was the guy fired? It seems like very objective reporting to me.
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  • melvin123melvin123 1522 replies18 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,540 Senior Member
    I was talking about the Claremont Independent article, which seemed to not really give any opinions, just state facts, which I appreciate. I wasn't talking about the TSL article, which I thought was a well written opinion piece, and can't imagine anyone getting fired over that either.
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  • intparentintparent 36271 replies644 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 36,915 Senior Member
    Can someone link to the column by the dad of the fired writer? It might clarify.
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  • CorinthianCorinthian 1777 replies61 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,838 Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    @MYOS1634 Hate speech is protected speech. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-white-first-amendment-slogans-20170608-story.html

    There's a lot of backstory about the Claremont Independent. First, Ross Steinberg was not the Editor-in-Chief but rather the Managing Editor. Here are his statement (http://tsl.news/opinions/6869/) and the CI's about why he was fired (http://claremontindependent.com/statement-regarding-dismissal-ross-steinberg/).

    Another part of the backstory is that the CI has in the past exposed other private Facebook groups that were in support of students of color. For example, http://claremontindependent.com/3473-2/ about a group which included posts mocking those who do not identify as women of color and in particular asian males. CI got a lot of backlash for that and other stories that published screenshots that disclosed the names of students involved in private Facebook groups. CI stories tend to be picked up by outside publications that promote stories about "crazy PC culture" such as College Fix and Fox News. And those students then received threatening, hostile messages from across the country.
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  • CorinthianCorinthian 1777 replies61 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,838 Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    @intparent here is a link to the dad's blog, although I don't think he has written about this here: http://www.everygoddamnday.com/. He did tweet a link to a Teen Vogue article about it on 9/27 but that seemed mainly to show he was proud of his son because his story got picked up by Teen Vogue and Inside Higher Ed.
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  • CorinthianCorinthian 1777 replies61 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,838 Senior Member
    Because of past controversies about CI stories, Pomona actually has info on its website called "FAQ's regarding Social Media, Student Press and Student Events on Campus. https://www.pomona.edu/administration/campus-center/reserving-space/faqs-student-media. And I agree with @maya54 that in light of the Leonard Law, Pomona will find it difficult to discipline the students for sharing memes, however distasteful or hateful the memes may be. From what I've seen so far, nothing was directed at any particular student, so it seems to fall in the "hate speech is protected" category.
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  • intparentintparent 36271 replies644 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 36,915 Senior Member
    I wonder what the distribution of members is across the 5Cs. I know this is focused on Pomona, but am curious.
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  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 41134 replies445 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 41,579 Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    OK, I understand why he was dismissed. Publishing the names was a terrible move and probably illegal. Expressing a threat too was wrong too. So, the article as published was fine, but the article as Steinberg wanted it wasn't.

    I still don't understand how hate speech is protected. Slurs aren't ideas to discuss. "All Jews should have died in the Holocaust" is an idea (all kinds of wrong, but you can discuss/argue). "Go burn K.." is not an idea, whether it's on a dorm room or in a college classroom. If a student stood up and said that to a professor or a classmate there should be some consequences.
    I can't imagine a situation where kids can say that to each other's face or to a professor or other adult on campus, and face no consequence. It's very frightening to me because it means any sort of abuse hurled at others is protected speech and there are many teens who'd love to be able to say anything and not have consequences for it. Class discussions would become impossible if you could insult others whenever you disagree with them and not be kicked out of class.
    (And High School!! HS would become a zoo.)

    Also curious about the way it's spread.
    But I'd never have expected that from Pomona students.
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  • tonymomtonymom 1119 replies55 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,174 Senior Member
    Maybe we could just have the leadership style of the Lt Gen Silveria from the Airforce Academy who forcefully told his students bigotry, racism and sexism would not be tolerated and if you can't treat someone with RESPECT GET OUT! What a novel concept....
    Hate speech is not protected if it creates a hostile learning or work environment.
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