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How hard is it to get into Brown?

ElleLakesElleLakes Registered User Posts: 66 Junior Member
Hi Readers,

Ok, I know this sounds kinda ignorant but my daughter just deferred from Brown - she was just devasted - and now won't complete her other applications. She says that she thinks she still has a shot at getting into Brown (which she may) and won't submit the other half of her applications as a result.

I am trying to remind her that Brown is a very competitive ivy league school and she should complete her safety and state schools in addition. However, the more I remind her, the more upset she becomes. This morning, she refused to talk to me and slammed the door on my face when I asked if we could work on her remaining 7 applications. I even take the day off from work so we could write them together. She locked her room door and did not leave the rest of the day except for meals.

I think one reason she did not get into Brown is that she can be impulsive and moody, which her teachers may have said in her recommendations. In all honesty, I could care less if she didn't go to an ivy league school, I just want her to be happy and get into a college.

I am publishing this forum just to have a second opinion and more voices to remind my daughter that no one can expect to get into a school like Brown. So, CC users, how hard is it to get into Brown? In addition, should I write my daughters applications if she refuses to complete them?

Best,

Concerned Mom
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Replies to: How hard is it to get into Brown?

  • airway1airway1 Registered User Posts: 123 Junior Member
    Hard! She needs a few backups! They accepted more ED then last year.. son was denied so we are working on other schools
  • yikesyikesyikesyikesyikesyikes Forum Champion U. Michigan Posts: 1,815 Forum Champion
    edited December 2018
    Your daughter should not count on getting into Brown - she will most likely be rejected. I am, by no means. an expert, but I think it may be best to consider getting help for your daughter (counselling, therapy, or something along those lines).
  • suzy100suzy100 Registered User Posts: 5,496 Senior Member
    "In addition, should I write my daughters applications if she refuses to complete them?" Absolutely not. This isn't even a close call. These applications have to be HER work.

    It sounds like your D has a lot of growing up to do. A Brown admit is incredibly hard to achieve. What does her guidance counselor say?
  • merc81merc81 Registered User Posts: 9,026 Senior Member
    I'm not sure that the key element in this assessment particularly relates to Brown. I see the important aspect as being that your daughter was deferred. As would be the case with most highly selective colleges, an ultimate acceptance after a deferral should be regarded as possible but not especially likely.
  • roycroftmomroycroftmom Registered User Posts: 1,787 Senior Member
    You may wish to research some local community colleges or in-state public schools with rolling admissions, as some allow applications as late as May for the following Fall. It can be helpful to know all the options.
  • Trixy34Trixy34 Registered User Posts: 502 Member
    edited December 2018
    Oh my - my son was also deferred from Brown. I understand her feelings. I am still holding out hope too, because I think it would be a great place for him, but considering they took an athlete already from his high school early decision, we're figuring odds are slim.

    As far as how to handle things with your daughter, I don't know what to tell you. Are there any apps you two can submit without any additional writings needed?

    But I think the primary focus should be that something else is going on that you need to address. Perhaps a gap year is in order.
  • SJ2727SJ2727 Registered User Posts: 619 Member
    Was this an older sibling of the subject of this thread?
    https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1915808-help-me-p1.html
  • turtletimeturtletime Registered User Posts: 1,193 Senior Member
    My eldest was deferrred and then rejected from Brown. She was crushed at the time but she went on to another LAC and thrived... in fact, ended up in a major she loved that Brown doesn’t even have. As a college graduate with a great job that allows her to be fully independent, she has no regrets.

    Give your daughter some time to grieve. Try to not say anything about it for a few days. She should move forward after that but of course you shouldn’t do her applications.
  • Trixy34Trixy34 Registered User Posts: 502 Member
    Decisions came out the 13th. It's been over 2 weeks. If she hasn't grieved by now, time is a wastin'
  • Marcie123Marcie123 Registered User Posts: 267 Junior Member
    My D was deferred last year in the ED round and later rejected from Brown. While she was disappointed, she chose her second choice school and is very happy there.

    By the time ED decisions came out, she had already heard from three EA schools and had sent in applications to two others that had merit deadlines. She had the rest ready to go after hearing from Brown.

    I think Brown’s acceptance rate was under 7% last year. That is a huge reach for everyone. I hope your D comes to accept that and gets other applications turned in.
  • Nocreativity1Nocreativity1 Registered User Posts: 683 Member
    I had provided these stats previously but offer them again in the hope they offer some perspective on her chances.

    The RD admission rate at Brown this year is likely to be 5% or lower (5.7% last year with more ED spots offered this year). Historically ED deferred students at Brown (like your daughter) get in at lower percentages then RD applicants. We are talking in the 3-4% range. Your daughter needs to prepare for the very strong likelihood that she will be rejected RD.

    Unfortunately the entire admissions process at elite schools involves getting enormous numbers (31,926 RD last year at Brown) down to small manageable groups.

    During the RD round, eliminating the first 15 of 20 kids is (while not easy), fairly manageable. Ultimately however you still have approximately 7,000 RD applicants who are all highly qualified for the limited 1,829 spots offered in RD last year (fewer this year given ED round). For a deferred ED student to get an offer they have to stand out in both the pool of deferred students and against the "highly" qualified top echelon of RD applicants.

    That is why numerically you see the lower acceptance rate of ED deferred candidates vs RD rate.

    Now for some more sobering news. With ED applications up 20% yield should also rise from last years 64.9% (1,665 enrolled from 2,566 accepted). This will likely translate into fewer wait list and ED deferred spots opening up down the line and an even more rigorous process throughout as total applications is likely to rise as students seek to take advantage of the Brown Promise.

    Not trying to destroy hope but temper expectations. I am sure your daughter has worked very hard to be a strong candidate. She should not waste all of that effort!!

    Very sorry your daughter is responding this way and certainly hope it all works out.
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