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holychildholychild 123 replies5 threads Junior Member
DC is a junior. 95 unweighted GPA, Rigorous classes at a college prep high school. Wants pre-med. Consistently scoring 30 on ACT practice tests. Will not qualify for any aid. We are in state for SUNY. Need college in the Northeast within 3 hours drive of NYC. COA $30,000.00 or less.BS/MD programs would be great.
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  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston 14812 replies996 threads Senior Member
    BS/MD program admission is very competitive even at less competitive undergraduate schools. UMass Amherst may give some merit aid but no BS/MD program.
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  • holychildholychild 123 replies5 threads Junior Member
    I should add. We visited Binghamton,Stonybrook and St. John’s already.
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  • holychildholychild 123 replies5 threads Junior Member
    The SUNYs are definitely on our radar. I agree they have a lot to offer.
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  • taverngirltaverngirl 1016 replies29 threads Senior Member
    Good merit and strong science at these schools: Wheaton (MA), Muhlenberg, Susquehanna, Scranton, Ursinus, Gettysburg, Siena, Juniata

    If willing to go further than 3 hours, add St. Lawrence, URochester, Allegheny, Washington & Jefferson, UMaine (tuition match)
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  • twogirlstwogirls 7323 replies7 threads Senior Member
    BS/MD programs will be highly, highly competitive. I agree with the advice given so far.

    It’s going to be difficult to get enough merit to get the cost down to $30,000...with a 30 (ish) ACT score and within a 3 hour drive of NYC. You can look at URI ( merit?), TCNJ ( I know OOS students who received merit) and the U of Vermont ( not sure about merit). Western Connecticut State University is now offering instate tuition to students from NY and NJ.

    I don’t think you will find many schools meeting your criteria that beat SUNY. Binghamton is a bit of a reach with that ACT score...particularly for premed. Has he tried the SAT? Have you looked at Buffalo?

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  • holychildholychild 123 replies5 threads Junior Member
    We have strongly suggested nursing as an alternative but it was dismissed. We are hoping that DC can get into Binghampton. We all would be happy with that as it meets all of our criteria.
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  • blossomblossom 9903 replies9 threads Senior Member
    There are a LOT of cool health care careers that most HS kids have never heard of. Epidemiology, biostatistics, health policy, health economics (someone has to figure out the impact of all those baby boomers reaching age 65, right?). And nursing itself- kids hear the word and think of someone emptying bedpans in a hospital. I have a friend who is an RN who manages clinical trials for a drug company, focused on terminal cancer patients. There are Physician Assistants who operate highly autonomously (depends on the state and the regulations) and provide a high degree of primary care- just like a doctor. Nutrition and food policy-- it's not just the person in the school cafeteria who figures out calorie counts on the donuts- there are nutritionists advising Federal agencies on complicated agricultural issues that impact public health, there are nutritionists and food scientists at all the big food and ingredient companies developing and interpreting studies on sugar and diabetes, salt and hypertension, caffeine and pregnancy, etc.

    I would ask your kid to do some research into health care professions which are NOT MD... as an exploration. Kid ends up in med school? Fabulous. But always helpful to have a more robust understanding of the job market before you head down a path, and as Thumper noted, there are more pre-meds who DON'T end up as physicians than ones who do.
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  • DustyfeathersDustyfeathers 3356 replies77 threads Senior Member
    BS/MD program -- https://www.ccny.cuny.edu/csom/bs-md-program

    Even cheaper than that (as in "free") the Sophie Davis program -- https://www.ccny.cuny.edu/csom/bs-md-program-description

    Here's another one (also used to be free and maybe still is) -- http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/honors-academy/programs/ba-md.php
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  • holychildholychild 123 replies5 threads Junior Member
    Do you really think Binghamton would be a stretch with that ACT score ? I am hoping DC can bring that up to a 32 but I know that sometimes the practice test can be spot on.
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  • blossomblossom 9903 replies9 threads Senior Member
    OP- does your HS have Naviance? If so, your son can look at the historical stats (last few years) and see who gets in and who doesn't from your HS. In some cases it's a nice motivator to get cracking reading those review books! Or- he could be in the safe zone (but check with the guidance counselor on how to interpret the numbers).
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  • holychildholychild 123 replies5 threads Junior Member
    Yes. I have been in Naviance and it appears that DC would get in with that score.
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  • DustyfeathersDustyfeathers 3356 replies77 threads Senior Member
    Elite schools can backfire for med school from what I've read on this forum and what I've observed. For med school you need grades plus MCAT. If you're at Yale or Princeton for undergrad, you'll be in a group of students at or above your level -- it's the nature of the schools and the students they attract. If you attend a school like, say, Earlham (has a cadaver class btw), which does a great job training premed and would give you merit aid, not only would you be high in your class and have the attention you may need to get As, but also you'd be from Indiana and that state provides fewer med-school students, compared with, say, California or the states along the Eastern Seaboard.
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  • happy1happy1 22956 replies2261 threads Senior Member
    edited February 4
    Agree that the SUNY schools would be a good bet. I'd also look at New Paltz and Albany (if you are willing to go outside of your geographic area I'd add Buffalo as well).

    For BS/MD maybe look into Sophie Davis program at CUNY. Also I believe that Siena College and Union College have BS/MD programs with SUNY Albany Med School.

    In terms of private schools we found Siena and Marist to have lower than typical pricing and good merit aid so those may be options.
    edited February 4
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  • holychildholychild 123 replies5 threads Junior Member
    Thanks so much for all the great advice and suggestions. DC expressed an interest in working in the emergency room. That is why the suggestion of RN, NP and PA not that I think anyone of these careers are like being an MD.
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  • Jugulator20Jugulator20 1539 replies18 threads Senior Member
    I’m not trying to dampen D’s ambitions, but if D is thinking emergency room MD, D is looking at 4 years of college (assuming not BS/MD), 4 years of med school, 3-4 years in emergency med residency. She will say adios to her 20s before she can start a career as an ER MD. Is she good with that? (I don’t need an answer, something she needs to consider).
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  • thumper1thumper1 75212 replies3300 threads Senior Member
    @holychild

    One of our best friends is an ER APRN...and prior to that did ER only nursing.

    I think your daughter and you need to do some additional reading about jobs in emergency rooms, as well as other medically related careers.

    @WayOutWestMom any suggestions for this poster?
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  • WayOutWestMomWayOutWestMom 10247 replies206 threads Senior Member
    @holychild

    A good site for students interested in healthcare career is Explore Health Careers. Student can search for job based on a variety of parameters, including years-in-school.

    if your D just wants to ER service, she can do that as a nurse, as a NP/APRN or a PA. PAs have the option of doing a 1-2 year specialty training program (similar to how doctors specialize after med school.) NP/APRNS can do the same. Nurses can choose just work in one area. (My next door neighbor daughter is a ER nurse and started permanently in the ER within a year of getting her RN.)


    I don't have anything to add to the suggestions above. I will reiterate that BA/MD program are enormously competitive, moreso than gaining admission to elite colleges. And that all med school hopeful need a Plan B and Plan C because most pre-med won't get accepted--or even apply to med school.

    Your d is frankly getting way ahead of herself saying she wants to be a EM physician. She first needs to decide if she wants to be a physician because there's chance that even if she does make it into med school, she won't be a competitive applicant for EM. Unless your D would be happy as a primary care physician (family medicine, general internal medicine), she should think long & hard before she commits to this career path.
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