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Bucknell, Villanova, Lehigh and Lafayette....Disappointed in Admissions Process

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  • MjkacmomMjkacmom 99 replies0 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    I don’t know how to reply to a specific poster, but tuition alone at Quinnipiac will be around $14,000 for my daughter after scholarship, tuition will be over $16,000 at TCNJ for my son (no scholarship). She has decided it’s not the school for her. Her other choices (UDel and Scranton) are also a bit cheaper after merit aid.
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  • gwnorthgwnorth 366 replies7 threadsRegistered User Member
    @Mjkacmom wrote:
    I don’t know how to reply to a specific poster

    You put an @ sign in front of their user name like @Mjkacmom. As you start typing a list of names comes up and you can pick from the list or just continue typing the full name.
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  • deb922deb922 5612 replies189 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited March 31
    A male engineering prospective student from New Jersey? Very, very hard admit especially in RD.

    He has some great acceptances, it’s so tough at those schools which are looking for an equal distribution of male/female engineering students. And from the northeast, when those schools are looking for geographical diversity? Add in RD and that is a tough hill to climb.

    I didn’t know Lafayette was need aware?
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  • Data10Data10 2909 replies8 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited March 31
    I didn’t know Lafayette was need aware?
    A related news story is at https://www.lafayettestudentnews.com/blog/2017/05/05/expansion-creates-means-for-future-need-blind-status/ .
    Lafayette admissions is need-aware, but they meet 100 percent of demonstrated aid. That means that application readers will only admit those people who can pay, sometimes with aid.

    The NYT study found that Lafayette students had a higher median income than did students from all Ivies and all of HYPSM.... Fewer than 2% were low income.
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  • CountingDownCountingDown 13403 replies110 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    I don't see that OP mentions her S taking any science APs. For an engineering applicant, that would be a big red flag amongst the reachier schools on his list.
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  • Data10Data10 2909 replies8 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    I don't see that OP mentions her S taking any science APs.
    From the original post:
    Honors Algebra 2,; Honors Pre-Cal and AP Cal A/B; AP Physics and AP US Government
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  • CountingDownCountingDown 13403 replies110 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Sorry, missed the physics in there...though if he's taking Calc A/B and Physics this year, the schools still may not have had a good handle on his ability to succeed in an engineering program. But if those are the top classes his HS offered and he could only take them senior year, then schools should review his application in that light.
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  • ProudpatriotProudpatriot 1538 replies12 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    @VickiSoCal-There are many many schools with weighting systems that allow for weighted GPA to be 1 point higher than unweighted. My kids school was +1 for an honors class, +2 for an AP class. All of my kids had weighted GPAs more than one point higher than unweighted.

    I don't want to highjack the thread, just to correct the record for others who may be reading.

    OP-your son has great choices. There are lots of anomalies college admissions. My son got waitlisted from U of Miami but was admitted to NYU.
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  • MACmiracleMACmiracle 1512 replies27 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited April 1
    I'm not assuming the OP is interested but just in case, Rowan will be accepting applications until May 1. I have no idea if they are still offering merit scholarships or if it's too late for admission into the honors program, but it's worth looking into.

    If the OP is considering TCNJ, Rowan Honors offers more IMHO. And the stats of the kids in honors are not far off from the other colleges on the list.
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  • VickiSoCalVickiSoCal 3368 replies33 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    @Proudpatriot I get that some schools do that internally but no college takes that as the weighted GPA to compare to students from other schools.
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  • bp0001bp0001 225 replies7 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    For my one son who applied to Bucknell, Lehigh, U of Rochester, and Lafayette along with others - the acceptance/wait list/rejection seemed to be from a random generator. I was told by one school admissions officer at an admitted students day that they almost didn't offer my son because they thought he was going to school X. He was waitlisted at school X. I believe he could have easily been accepted to all, or rejected by all.

    The average stats can be misleading, as special admits and recruits are a higher percentage of the ED pool. If you do not fall into one of these categories, you really don't know if the stats are different between ED or RD, but they are higher than published stats. You should assume for all schools (Ivies included) that the bottom 25% have hooks.

    The schools tell you not to work the waitlist, but from anecdotal evidence, it seems the ones who get off the waitlist have provided more information and shown continued interest.
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  • RegretfulRegretful 80 replies12 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    I have a student at Lafayette that is excelling. My son applied and was waitlisted despite having SATs above the 75%. However with two students we would need financial aid. I wonder if that was a reason he was waitlisted.
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  • cptofthehousecptofthehouse 29255 replies57 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    There are certain programs at schools that get far more applications than seats and really are far more selective than the overall acceptance rate at a given school. Want to get into the Computer science program at Carnegie Mellon? Acceptance rate in single figures. But, say you apply as a Humanities and SOcial sciences major? The years my kids applied there the accept rate was nearly at the 50% mark. So it is with premed , and engineering, and some schools of business. Getting accepted to those programs is a whole other story than to other more general majors, particularly the Humanities, for instance.

    This is not new, though it has become even more accentuated.. Back in my day, one of the top students in the country,certainly the top in Florida, was rejected from the UF engineering program. All he knew was that he was rejected from UF, a school that a large number of class mates had gotten acceptance letters, including my brother, his best friend. THey still joke about it to this day; my brother was rejected from MIT, which was no big deal,and pretty much expected, but, "dude, to be rejected from UF and accepted by MIT!" It was a combination of the program (engineering) and the timing (not early in the season) that resulted in his denial from the school. To this day, engineering spots fill up fast, and Einstein couldn't get accepted once those seats are filled.

    Lafayette, Lehigh and Bucknell are well known for engineering, and competition for those seats is fierce. Hindsight is 20/20-- I would have advised he pick one as ED, or if he didn't feel comfortable committing so early in the process, applying to schools that allow transfer easily between as a different major or even undecided major and engineering. Rice is a school that comes to mind in that category. I don't know those policies at the schools you have mentioned.
    Also, yes, if any of the schools are need aware in admissions, it could make a difference too.
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  • gallentjillgallentjill 2385 replies84 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited April 1
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    ..but here he is facing the last marking period of high school with three out of state acceptances that would all offer him unbelievable opportunities and he finally has a spot on the Varsity baseball team and quite frankly I have told him I would not want to change a thing.

    This is so fabulous! Celebrate this and forget the wait lists. There is something special about going to a school that wants you so badly that they are willing to throw money at you to come. This alone can be a huge ego boost to a kid starting college. Don't rethink the past four years and wonder if he could have done more. Who cares? He did great and he could have done more and gotten the same results. Or, you could have pushed him to do more and it could have backfired. In any case, what is so wrong with following your heart in high school? He had a good time and has great college choices. Who could ask for anything more?
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  • turtletimeturtletime 1244 replies12 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited April 1
    @Regretful we had a similar feeling from Lafayette for our son last year. He was waitlisted there while admitted to peer schools. The difference? Lafayette is need aware and we have a fair amount of need. In fact, he was waitlisted at all need aware schools he applied as was our eldest 4 years before him. Both excellent students but not tippy top stats so not quite as attractive For what it would cost a full-need school to enroll them.

    It worked out fine (they went to need blind schools) and I don’t harbor Ill feelings toward Lafayette or the others for not wanting to pick up the tab if it’s not in their means to comfortably do so. I thought it was nice they got waitlisted instead of rejected lol. But yes, at least for us, the need aware aspect seemed the difference between a “yes” and a waitlist for a strong but imperfect student.
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  • cptofthehousecptofthehouse 29255 replies57 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Also want to add that Villanova enjoys a rush of apps from a number of schools that make it far more selective than the stats may show because they do give a bit of an edge to certain situations. I know our high school gives Villanova quite the rush each year.

    It's tough knowing these nuances about schools from the onset.
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