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Fraternity controversy at Swarthmore

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  • OHMomof2OHMomof2 12496 replies231 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 12,727 Senior Member
    @tutumom2001 I would think that the baseball team that is intent on partying is going to find another location to party whether it's at a frat house or elsewhere.

    Dorm? Library? Just not the same.

    At one LAC I know without frats, some athletes do live together in suites, and have parties there. But it's not their entire building (with an *attic*) and it's not anything "regular" students don't have. Anyone can try to get a suite, it's a seniority/lottery system.
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  • Sue22Sue22 6092 replies106 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 6,198 Senior Member
    Valerie Smith, the President of Swarthmore, graduated from Bates College, a school which has never had fraternities or sororities, and she's served on the school's Board of Trustees. I'm not sure if that has any influence on how she's handling this, but it's an additional factoid.
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  • lastone03lastone03 936 replies11 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 947 Member
    @donnaleighg well you missed the point, and thanks for the snark.
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  • Leigh22Leigh22 634 replies9 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 643 Member
    After the Piazza tragedy at PSU, where my nephew attends, my BIL said Greek alumni were grousing because of restrictions on drinking at some alumni weekend event. Also a lot of whispers of how the frat wasn't to blame - aka “ no one forced him to drink” . He says that when you go there on big event weekends the Greek alumni behave worse than the students. But as long as those alumni are making contributions, nothing will change.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 76570 replies665 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 77,235 Senior Member
    Trixy34 wrote:
    I don't think the main concern is partying. It's about the secrecy and the social pressure to conform to an attitude of misogyny, racism and homophobia.

    There may be some exceptions, like http://www.sigmaepsilonomega.com/ . But if they are uncommon exceptions, that may not be very complimentary on the other ones. It is often the case that chapter photos at fraternities and (even more so) sororities suggest a greater level of racial segregation there than overall at the campuses they are at.
    Leigh22 wrote:
    He says that when you go there on big event weekends the Greek alumni behave worse than the students.

    Probably they were used to a bygone time (when they were students) when behavior regarding alcohol, sexual (mis)conduct, and hazing was looser.
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  • yourmommayourmomma 1320 replies1 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,321 Senior Member
    Obviously all frats are not the same, but as a group, they are different than other campus organizations. Can you name another campus group with 30 hazing deaths in the last 5 years?

    @mamalion Do you have a source for those numbers?
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  • yourmommayourmomma 1320 replies1 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,321 Senior Member
    Yeah, I'm surprised we made it to page 3 without someone pulling out that old, banal trope.

    Sure you can belittle it if you want, but at my kid's school their two biggest fundraising events (over $4 million each year) would wither and die without Greek organization participation.
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  • yourmommayourmomma 1320 replies1 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,321 Senior Member
    Stating the obvious but charitable money gets raised ALL the time without Greek involvement.

    Belittling the concerns over bad behavior of these orgs is what I don't get.

    Not that kind of money.

    And nobody is belittling concerns over bad behavior. But facts are facts. Most, the vast majority of Fraternity (and Sorority) members are fine upstanding citizens. They are not all drunken, racists, misogynistic, rapists. But people will believe what narrative they want to believe.
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  • mamalionmamalion 725 replies26 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 751 Member
    @yourmomma My stat came from my college newspaper after our recent hazing death. Here is Wikipedia on frat death https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hazing_deaths_in_the_United_States
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  • mamalionmamalion 725 replies26 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 751 Member
    The Wikipedia death list is a couple of years behind.
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  • mamalionmamalion 725 replies26 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 751 Member
    I see three deaths already this year (one woman drinking at a frat), but I am not focusing on hazing now, just death.
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  • santaclaradadsantaclaradad 18 replies5 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 23 Junior Member
    There were 4 fraternity (hazing related) deaths in 2017 alone according this article - http://time.com/5071813/fraternity-hazing-deaths-2017. There are many (easily googled) statistics on sexual assaults in and in connection with fraternities/sororities. Not claiming bad things don't happen outside frat houses and sororities, but parents and students who want to eliminate greek life as a risk factor have options now, fortunately.
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  • yourmommayourmomma 1320 replies1 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,321 Senior Member
    The claim was 30 over 5 years. That's 6 per year average. While 1 is too many, 30 over 5 years doesn't appear to be supported by evidence.
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  • yourmommayourmomma 1320 replies1 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,321 Senior Member
    edited May 2
    Your post #8 I would deem belittling of the situation:

    "Yawn. So statements by students in a private meeting who are no longer there are "offensive." Nobody keeps meeting minutes like that. They don't even have a Greek system -- it's like two houses, which aren't even houses. Time to go back to class."

    Not sure if you read the actual "minutes." The stuff is from 2013 and 2014. The students involved are likely no longer at the school (unless they are on the 6 year plan). It's primarily sophomoric embellished recounts of the week's activities. At a small school like that, if half the stuff was actually true (and not embellished) it would have come out years ago. The protesters basically bullied the current fraternity members for writings they were not remotely responsible for. They achieved their goal.
    edited May 2
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  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone 22122 replies14 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 22,136 Senior Member
    Can you name another campus group with 30 hazing deaths in the last 5 years?

    Some of the hazing incidents listed were not fraternity related, and many were from underground or non-national fraternities, with accidents after drinking. I think there are a lot of deaths of college aged kids after drinking.

    The FAMU band https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ne-famu-hazing-conviction-appeal-20181213-story.html

    1975 U of Penns.

    1984, Texas A&M (corps of cadets)

    There were even a few 'adult' hazing events lists, including some one at a job and a masonic lodge.
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  • 10s4life10s4life 2157 replies46 discussionsForum Champion UCLA Posts: 2,203 Forum Champion
    edited May 2
    One thing that I found interesting was this chapter of “Phi Psi” wasn’t even part of the National fraternity Phi Kappa Psi. The national org released that a Phi Psi chapter hadn’t been recognized for over 50 years. Why would Swarthmore allow an unrecognized fraternity to exist as a registered student org for so long beats me.
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