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Physical & Health Education: Should it be Graded? Counted in GPA?

leexuzhengleexuzheng Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
edited August 2010 in Parents Forum
My trascript describes gym is" *Not Averaged".
How about Health Education?
Post edited by leexuzheng on

Replies to: Physical & Health Education: Should it be Graded? Counted in GPA?

  • Erin's DadErin's Dad Super Moderator Posts: 34,338 Super Moderator
    Ask your GC. In reality some colleges may just not consider those classes at all.
  • juilletjuillet Super Moderator Posts: 11,568 Super Moderator
    What, in high school, or college?

    I think PE in college should be pass/fail, and not factored into the GPA. It's not like anyone cares what you got in PE anyway.

    In high school, I think health education should be graded and gym should be pass/fail.
  • PizzagirlPizzagirl Registered User Posts: 40,488 Senior Member
    In my state, which I believe to be one of the strictest, high schoolers are required to take PE all 8 semesters of high school, unless they are varsity athletes and then they are excused during the semester of their sport. It is graded ABCDF. In our school at least, it is counted in GPA.

    And frankly I don't believe for a minute that universities with 15,000 - 20,000 applications coming in the door bother with the minutia of figuring out that this school's GPA includes gym and that one doesn't and backing it all out. Ditto with other courses that a state may require for graduation (for example, consumer education or something on the state's constitution).
  • CIACIA Registered User Posts: 1,120 Member
    For me, it depends on how it's graded. If PE is graded based on effort, then it should be included. So much of High School is just EFFORT, why shouldn't P.E. be the same?

    If it's graded on how many push-ups one can do, then no. Some people are just more athletic than others.
  • ucsd_ucla_daducsd_ucla_dad Registered User Posts: 8,573 Senior Member
    The UCs don't include PE when they calculate the 'UC GPA' for the HS classes.
  • mathmommathmom Registered User Posts: 29,597 Senior Member
    We're in NY (not Pizzagirl's state) and our students also have to take PE every semester. In our school, at least, it's graded pass, or pass with honors, or fail, but isn't part of the GPA. Health has a letter grade and I think it may count, but since many students put it off until their senior year, it probably never has much effect on the GPA.

    I've taken PE graded every which way, and I can tell you it made me mad as %&* when my friends who did exactly the same thing in class got better effort grades than I did. (This was a calisthenics class, not something more subjective like tennis.) I did the same number of jumping jacks, squat thrusts and all that other nonsense. It was the final straw for me, I just took modern dance for my exercise after that.
  • mamabear1234mamabear1234 Registered User Posts: 3,522 Senior Member
    In our HS, you have to take PE every year. No exception for athletes, even if they miss a PE class for a game, they have to make up the PE. It is graded and counted in the GPA, but if you show up dressed and participate, you get an A. I have known kids in danger of not graduating because they didn't bother going to gym.

    A couple of years ago they started a summer gym class which would excuse kids from gym during the school year. Seems to defeat the stated purpose of teaching lifelong fitness and regular exercise.
  • leexuzhengleexuzheng Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
    In N.Y high school,not college.
  • ShrinkrapShrinkrap Registered User Posts: 11,788 Senior Member
    I don't have an opinion regarding GPA, but what would have taken an "A" effort for my D's physical education, would require my son's "A" academic effort. The reverse is also true. An "A" in measurable physical education outcomes would be almost no effort for him, and near, if not impossible for her.
  • beth's mombeth's mom Registered User Posts: 3,361 Senior Member
    We're in Illlinois, and at D's high school, unless you have an athletic waiver, gym is required every semester except for the semesters you take health (required) or drivers' ed. Neither gym nor drivers' ed counts in the GPA. Health does count. I'm sure there are plenty of colleges that recalculate GPA to exclude health and other non-core subjects, but there are also plenty of schools that take the school-calculated GPA at face value.
  • dragonmomdragonmom Registered User Posts: 5,631 Senior Member
    The two classes should be different:
    Health is an academic class.... do you know the subject matter? Can you tell me what path a red blood cell takes through your body? Can you explain a nutrition label?
    PE is an "effort and participation" class.... do you show up in the right gear and do your darndest to get better at whatever the subject is. If you are already really gifted in the PE front, I would like to see some kind of metric that measures if you tried to improve. In real life I know that's probably not going to happen...
  • sybbie719sybbie719 Super Moderator Posts: 20,793 Super Moderator
    In NYS you must pass gym every term. The only exception is if you have completed all of your courses in less than 8 semesters, they will not make you return to high school just to take gym.

    Otherwise the the state regs say that the course cannot be waived. Unless you are on home insturuction, if you are in school, even if medically excused you must show up to and get dressed for gym. The teacher may assign an alternative assessment (yes, you can be medically excused and fail gym and it will show up on your transcript).

    Health is an academic class and averaged in to the overall gpa. It is usually a one credit course.

    Gym, it depends on how the course is coded on the transcript. Normally gym is not calculated in to the gpa.

    If you attend a NYC Public HS if there is an *next to the grade then it would not be calculated into your overall gpa. If there is no * next to the grade then it is calculated. I have seen this on the transcript and had to remind our programmer that the couse should not be calculated in to the overall gpa.
  • leexuzhengleexuzheng Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
  • leexuzhengleexuzheng Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
    To sybbie719:I live in NYC.I didn't take the Health Education,does it affect my average?
  • RoxSoxRoxSox Registered User Posts: 2,179 Senior Member
    I kind of wish Florida had better PE requirements. You only have to take 2 semesters of PE for all four years. My high school was a magnet arts school and due to required art classes taking up so much of our time, most of us took PE online...yes it was possible...no, it did not require any kind of physical exertion whatsoever. While I'm not a big PE buff, I think it shouldn't be that easy to get around it. In middle school there was no PE requirement whatsoever, I'm not even sure if it was offered.
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