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UCSD vs USF Med

ErinLoflinErinLoflin Registered User Posts: 15 New Member
Why do 60% of USF students get accepted to medical school over UCSD’s 30% when UCSD constantly is ranked higher and given more credit that USF? Am I completely missing something? Which would better prepare me for medical school?
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Replies to: UCSD vs USF Med

  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 75,364 Senior Member
    University of South Florida does have some pre-meds in a 7-year BS+MD express program.

    University of San Francisco has a pre-med committee which presumably informs the student how realistic medical school admission is, presumably causing students with no realistic chance of admission to decide not to apply.
  • ErinLoflinErinLoflin Registered User Posts: 15 New Member
    So why is UCSD’s so low if they are apparently one of the best schools to go to for a student looking to prepare for medschool?

    Do you know the number of student who apply to medical school from both colleges? (USF being San Francisco)
  • silmarilsilmaril Registered User Posts: 367 Member
    UCSD has over 4 times the number of undergrad students compared to USF, which means way more premeds. Not only does that potentially drive up competition, but it does increase the risk of students falling through the cracks just due to the sheer size of the premed population. USF, being a smaller school, may simply have a more manageable population of premeds, allowing them to pay more attention to them, and either successfully help out struggling premeds or successfully preventing unqualified applicants from applying.
  • GoldenRockGoldenRock Registered User Posts: 1,388 Senior Member
    @ErinLoflin You need to research and post how UCSD and USF arrived at the %. Have they shared the details about the data? What are the underlying assumptions. For example, did the % arrived using the number of students registered for pre-med or used only the number of students for whom the pre-med office gave the LOR.
    Compare % only if both schools have used IDENTICAL method to do direct comparison.
  • WayOutWestMomWayOutWestMom Registered User Posts: 10,012 Senior Member
    @ErinLoflin
    Do you know the number of student who apply to medical school from both colleges? (USF being San Francisco)

    https://www.aamc.org/download/321442/data/factstablea1.pdf

    For the 2018-19 cycle, UCSD produced 578 applicants; USF not listed (so produced fewer than 50 applicants last cycle)

    For comparison purposes, University of Rochester, a small private university the same size as USF, produced 170 applicants last year.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 75,364 Senior Member
    ErinLoflin wrote:
    So why is UCSD’s so low

    UCSD does not do pre-med committee letters (that effectively function as pre-application weed-out of pre-meds with no realistic chance of admission to medical school), so its pool of applicants to medical school has more of those with no realistic chance of admission who would have been weeded out at schools that do pre-med committee letters (either by refusal to write one, or by the committee making it clear to the pre-med that applying would be a waste of time and money).
  • Jugulator20Jugulator20 Registered User Posts: 1,508 Senior Member
    edited April 2
    I know a MD who went to UCSD. He once told a story about how his first day at UCSD he was sitting in the back of lecture hall in a premed req with several hundred other eager young minds. The prof walks in and asks how many taking this course are premeds. MD said it seemed like everyone’s hand went up.

    The point to take from above is every premed req at UCSD will include hundreds of smart students, premed or not. Below is a link to Fall 2018 Biochem (BIBC102), a premed req. Although 3 profs taught this course in Fall 2018, look just at Prof Hampton’s course.. 13 sections each with 32 students. Let’s be generous and say 25% get As, most will get less, probably Cs or lower. One C ((or even a couple of Cs/Bs sprinkled about)) may not be fatal to a premed’s chances. But you’ll be up against this type of competition every quarter in pretty much every course, especially premed reqs
    https://act.ucsd.edu/scheduleOfClasses/scheduleOfClassesStudentResult.htm

    In addition UCSD operates on a 10 week quarter. In some premed reqs, you could be facing a “midterm” in week 4, another “midterm” in week 7, and a final at end of quarter. The steady pressure to be “on” from day one with not only academic demands but also coupled with trying to fit in ECs, have a social life, etc, will be too much and end most premed chances at UCSD.

    I’m not trying to deter you from UCSD or from pursing your dreams, but this is the type of reality you’ll face at UCSD, or wherever you go. I cant comment on USF, but I will say UCSD will offer the resources and opportunities you need to become a successful premed applicant. Whether you do so will be much more on you, less on UCSD or wherever you go. Good luck.
  • artloversplusartloversplus Registered User Posts: 8,577 Senior Member
    You can attend USF(San Francisco) and perhaps you might have an easier time to get better grade, but it all evens out with the Mcat. The med school will look at the grade AND the Mcat, if you are weak in either part, you will not be admitted.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 75,364 Senior Member
    https://as.ucsd.edu/Home/InstructorGradeArchive can help you with UCSD grade distributions.
  • firmament2xfirmament2x Registered User Posts: 98 Junior Member
    I'm going to guess that the 30% rate for UCSD students is probably low for all who applied in whatever cycle you reference. Perhaps those releasing their data to the University were on the low side of qualification and were seeking greater guidance. The national average nationwide is ~ 40% and the rate of acceptance for California residents is about the same with much more being accepted at out-of-state SOMs, so I can't imagine that SD students wouldn't have the wherewithal to apply in great numbers outside of the state as they have in the past when the numbers were more representative at least nationally, when they had ~ 50% acceptance.
  • crankyoldmancrankyoldman Registered User Posts: 535 Member
    To answer your question, what you're missing is the fact that each university decides, on its own, who qualifies as a pre-med student, and therefore decides how many of its pre-meds got accepted into medical school. There's no standard definition, so schools massage the definition in order to make their numbers look better.
  • WayOutWestMomWayOutWestMom Registered User Posts: 10,012 Senior Member
    @crankyoldman

    The numbers of pre-meds AMCAS reports are not based on a school's self reporting, but on data culled from actual AMCAS applicants.
  • crankyoldmancrankyoldman Registered User Posts: 535 Member
    Your post indicated that USF numbers weren't listed, so based on that, how does one get an accurate count on acceptances?
    What the chart you posted reflects is the number of applications from a given school, and how many medical schoo attendees each school produced. It does not indicate how many started as pre-meds, and it doesn't reflect any numbers for USF, so not sure how OP arrived at 60% v 30%.
    In addition, the chart shows UCSD had 7237 applications submitted, with 134 medical school matriculants; even accounting for the footnote of 16 applications per indvidual, also not sure where OP's 30% comes from, or how the chart posted even addresses that. It appears OP is basing his/her information on other sources.
  • WayOutWestMomWayOutWestMom Registered User Posts: 10,012 Senior Member
    USF uses a committee letter. Their acceptance rates only includes those pre-med who use this service. The acceptance rate is available thru the career placement office at USF.

    A HP letter is strongly preferred by med schools (required if available by many med schools) so it's unlikely that students would by-pass the HP committee.

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    https://www.aamc.org/download/321442/data/factstablea1.pdf
    That chart ^^ you're referencing list is the number of application RECIEVED by each medical school--and has nothing to do the number of applicants each undergraduate school produces.

    This chart lists every institution in the US that provided 50 or more applicants to med school.
    https://www.aamc.org/download/321442/data/factstablea1.pdf

    UCSD had 581 med school applicants in 2018-19. It does not list how many were successful. USF does not appear on the list and so one may assume that USF produced fewer than 50 med school applicants in the 2018-19 cycle.
  • crankyoldmancrankyoldman Registered User Posts: 535 Member
    o how does the list answer OP's question, as she's asking about pre-med schools? She's asking, as an undergraduate which school gives her a better shot at getting into medical school OP has clearly obtained information from another source, and it's definitely not AAMC. There is no clear answer to OP's question, as it's up to each school to decide how many of its pre-meds successfully apply to medical school, because the schools define who is considered a pre-med.
    Just a few days ago, it was insisted that 75% of premeds don't go to medical school, for a variety of reasons. If that's accurate, then both USF and UCSD are above average. And in this case, nobody knows-apparently-the number of USF applicants, so the 60% figure is suspect, at best. Does it mean 60% of freshmen pre-meds were accepted into medical school? Or that 60% of those who got committee letters were accepted?
    Any medical school applicant ought to take pre-med success rates with a grain of salt. There's no agreed definition, so in this case it would be in the prospective student's best interest to review how those percentages-60% v. 30%-were obtaine
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