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Question on "second tier" schools

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Replies to: Question on "second tier" schools

  • GMTplus7GMTplus7 Registered User Posts: 14,567 Senior Member
    It's not "sad" that the media published the last name of the Chow family; it's public record. It's automatically public record in the U S. whenever someone files a lawsuit.

    Truly sickening that the father released as evidence of how he had been ripped off, all the invoices the consultant billed for cheating for him, i.e. hours & hours spent researching and writing papers. How brazenly shameless to openly acknowledge u paid someone to cheat for u, then complain publically via lawsuit that u didn't get your money's worth.
  • grx567grx567 Registered User Posts: 189 Junior Member
    @GMTplus7 Wow, I did not know that the payment included writing papers for his two sons! I meant sad because it exposed what I thought were two innocent children. This adds to the whole story. Funny, how people do not realize that filing a lawsuit does put information you may not want in the public record.
  • dreamcatcher3dreamcatcher3 Registered User Posts: 161 Junior Member
    @twinsmama ... I have been lurking on CC for a while and your twins seem very similar to my dd. She was wait listed everywhere (although we only applied to 4 schools). She is still licking her wounds and we are still deciding on what to do for next year. Would love to PM you and swap stories.
  • twinsmamatwinsmama Registered User Posts: 1,460 Senior Member
    @dreamcatcher3, Please do feel free to PM me.
  • dreamcatcher3dreamcatcher3 Registered User Posts: 161 Junior Member
    @ twinsmama.... I have to post 13 more times before I can have PMing "privileges". Here is my email [email protected] Looking forward to chatting :)
  • dreamcatcher3dreamcatcher3 Registered User Posts: 161 Junior Member
    gmail.com
  • dreamcatcher3dreamcatcher3 Registered User Posts: 161 Junior Member
    ugh.... it is a gmail address that keeps being **** out
  • twinsmamatwinsmama Registered User Posts: 1,460 Senior Member
    I will PM you later. Suggest you ask moderator to delete posts about your email address.
  • dreamcatcher3dreamcatcher3 Registered User Posts: 161 Junior Member
    Thx...will do
  • A08842A08842 Registered User Posts: 2,554 Senior Member
    @dreamcatcher3: Why don't you post 13 random posts and then PM? That's what I would do instead of posting my email address to the whole wide world...:P
  • twinsmamatwinsmama Registered User Posts: 1,460 Senior Member
    I'm bumping this because I've seen some mention of "tiers" of schools and because everyone trying to choose where to apply should read Albion's answer to my initial question.
  • PhotographerMomPhotographerMom Registered User Posts: 1,818 Senior Member
    Albion's post should be required reading. Here- let me make it easy for you! :)


    Here's what I've seen, since I currently teach at a school like this. The kids in the top (and it's not only one or two) are in classes filled with like-minded individuals. The homework pressure and the level of intellectual rigor is for real. I often smile ruefully inside my head thinking of the way my school would get sneered at by kids on CC as being "not worth it" and "less than ideal" when I'm watching the honors kids work their way through a project, when they are passing on social activities on a Friday night because they are excited to start a school project, or when older kids are discussing books they remember reading in English classes the year or two before with the underclassmen who are encountering the book for the first time. These kids are NOT working in coloring books or filling out worksheets, and they aren't just going through the motions to get good grades. The top kids at a second tier school can and do get into Ivy League colleges as well as a host of top 25 LACs and anywhere else fancy you can imagine, but it's not because those around them are weaker; it's because they have genuine intellectual passion and ability. Here, they can apply to work as tutors, setting up office-hours in our library to help fellow students who struggle with writing, science, or math. (there's plenty of faculty help available too, don't worry, but I think the peer-to-peer system is interesting.) It's a good opportunity for them, and I know a lot of student tutors who have learned a lot through the experience.

    As teachers, we need to take jobs based on a huge number of factors; where the job openings in our field are in the year we're applying, where our spouses work, and what the salary and benefits are...I don't doubt that Andover has the finest teachers on earth, but that doesn't mean we're filled with the B-Team rejects. I'm currently on the strongest faculty I've ever been on--and I bet my last day school had higher scores than my current boarding school. The high achieving kids get a lot of attention and interest from the faculty here. We go out of our way to make sure that the extra-capable can soar.

    A smart kid at a school like this will have plenty of peers who are motivated and inspiring each other to do well--I do overhear conversations among kids who are used to getting the top marks in every subject laughingly name students who continually best them here. The competition for top honors isn't cut-throat, but the most academic kids here are indistinguishable from top kids anywhere. (What we don't have are rare kid geniuses, who I imagine one can encounter at the top schools.)

    Kids here want a wide variety of thing from their lives. Some are really hoping to play D1 sports in college. Some dream of going to large state schools. Some have dreams of serving in the military. Some want only Ivy or top-ranked LACs. And yes, there are kids here who really struggle with school and are not intellectually hungry. But the thing I've seen over and over is that there are a lot of kids who care about school and want to do well among the kids who are not the top students. So even if not every kid on the soccer team on dorm floor is an intellectual powerhouse, (and all teenagers complain about too much work and not enough sleep some of the time) what I see at my school is kids who are interested in doing well and trying hard. For some of them, they are coming from public schools where no one was allowed to care about homework unless they were in honors classes. Here on the Second Tier, I see a lot of kids finally allowing themselves to show passion for school. I wouldn't say there is a prevailing culture of anti-intellectualism. There is a lot more discussion of YA fiction than of Proust, but they do read books for fun.

    We also offer all the good stuff that every boarding school does--the lessons in independence, the leadership opportunities, the diversity, the chance to stretch and try new things, and the world-class guest speakers, traveling performing groups, etc.

    The last time I was on the job market, I got to visit a lot of schools. We say "school" but we're really talking about a collection of administrators, faculty, alumni, traditions, staff and students that form the experience. It's so much more than numbers on a page that I'd wager there are noticeable differences in the intellectual culture at different second tier schools even if they all have the same SSAT averages.

    If your kids score in the 90s, I would still look at schools where the average is in the 70s. Not all of them will be a fit, but it's likely that some will. Keep in mind also that the admissions cycle keeps cycling (albeit on a lower speed) throughout the spring and summer. Anecdotes aren't evidence, but I do have a current student who was accepted here summer before her junior year with an almost full scholarship.

    Wow, that went long. A quiet afternoon on the dorm here, and I've got time to kill. Twinsmama, I am pulling for you and your kids!




  • PhotographerMomPhotographerMom Registered User Posts: 1,818 Senior Member
    HT to @GMTplus7 for "Academic Sleepers", too.
  • SculptorDadSculptorDad Registered User Posts: 2,235 Senior Member
    edited November 2015
    I think that should be pinned up for all to read.
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