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Replies to: Cheater

  • helpme13helpme13 Registered User Posts: 11 New Member
    Why don't you think he could get in? He gets awesome grades, great recommendations, his essay was pretty good, and he does 4 clubs and community service. I think if he was himself he could get in. I won't help him with his apps but I will still be his friend.
  • PrincipalVPrincipalV Registered User Posts: 950 Member
    I think if he was himself he could get in.
    The fact remains that he is not himself. The schools that he has his eye on has thousands of kids with grades like he does, being dishonest is certainly not something they would want.

    If they figured out that he was lying they would not even give him a second chance. Don't even ask how they would know.
  • asiankid29asiankid29 Registered User Posts: 340 Member
    Well, you have to remember, helpme13, that there are hundreds of other applicants who have the same - or even better - stats as your friend. The decision the admissions committee makes doesn't solely depend on grades, recommendations or essays. They are looking for someone different, someone who stands out (in a good way).
  • helpme13helpme13 Registered User Posts: 11 New Member
    Yeah I know, I'm trying to convince him not to do it. I just don't him to get in because he lied and then get kicked out because he lied. How would they know? Would they contact coaches? Look him up on google? Call the school? I really don't know any other way and the sad thing is his parents know and they say that its okay sometimes you need to lie to get where you want or something close to that.
  • PrincipalVPrincipalV Registered User Posts: 950 Member
    That sounds like a profoundly dysfunctional family to me. No wonder he's turned into such a mess. Regardless, even if they don't find out, all the kids at Exeter and so forth will be epochs more mature (academically and socially) than him. He wouldn't have fun being the odd one out.

    I have seen plenty of liars. Most get what they want... Then suddenly they get bitten in the ass because of their lie with a price million times worse.
  • GemmaVGemmaV - Posts: 288 Junior Member
    helpme13: Having multiple years of participation in sports/clubs--whether it's a lie or not--is not the most impressive, and is certainly not the most important, part of a student's application. One must understand that the VAST MAJORITY of applicants to places like Exeter and Andover have the credentials you mentioned: great grades, very good recommendations, solid extracurriculars, etc. Trust me, admission officers are very good at sniffing out liars. And even if they don't catch him in a lie in the interview, there are other ways to tell.
  • PrincipalVPrincipalV Registered User Posts: 950 Member
    Sports was a big part of my Exeter interview last year, and trust me I could not have kept a lie that long without making it clear that I am a bad liar. Beyond that it's the fact that he lied and not the degree of his lie that will keep him out.

    It's his choice, but if he keeps asking himself "how will they tell?" then he is not thinking in the right way.
  • helpme13helpme13 Registered User Posts: 11 New Member
    What do you thing is the most important part to get admission...I personally say the application packet (essays and short answers).
  • SarumSarum Registered User Posts: 1,145 Senior Member
    Obama's dad got an MA at Harvard, so tell me how he got into Harvard Law School with a "C" average at Columbia? Nepotism helps PV and always will.
  • harvardlawviolinharvardlawviolin Registered User Posts: 112 Junior Member
    I wouldn't worry. The Administrations will find out, either now or later, and if they find out later, even after he graduates, his degree will be taken away. It is serious stuff. I would try to convince him not to do it. I seriously read on many different college websites what they will do, and it was things like kicking you out of college. And if your friend goes on to get a bachelors or PhD, and they find out after that, the PhD is gone, as well as the bachelors. Besides, the college consults with the school to make sure it is all true.
  • PrincipalVPrincipalV Registered User Posts: 950 Member
    Obama's dad got an MA at Harvard, so tell me how he got into Harvard Law School with a "C" average at Columbia? Nepotism helps PV and always will.
    I don't get your point... Obama graduated Cum Laude and what not...
    I wouldn't worry. The Administrations will find out, either now or later, and if they find out later, even after he graduates, his degree will be taken away. It is serious stuff. I would try to convince him not to do it. I seriously read on many different college websites what they will do, and it was things like kicking you out of college. And if your friend goes on to get a bachelors or PhD, and they find out after that, the PhD is gone, as well as the bachelors. Besides, the college consults with the school to make sure it is all true.
    Exactly... Maybe not that bad, but something like that, yes. Imagine getting expelled senior year...
  • SarumSarum Registered User Posts: 1,145 Senior Member
    "Obama graduated Cum Laude and what not."

    Not from Columbia he didn't:)
  • PrincipalVPrincipalV Registered User Posts: 950 Member
    Probably not... He got into Harvard and kicked ass, though... I guess if his presidency depended on what he learned in Columbia I would be more concerned. Moreover, he got into Harvard with stats from Columbia (and AA, I guess).
  • cc23cc23 Registered User Posts: 26 New Member
    That is a terrible, terrible idea. Tell him that is not an option.
    First of all, that shows a SERIOUS lack of honesty and integrity.
    Second of all, he could get caught in the process (what if his interviewer asks him specific questions about football? What's he going to say?)
    Third and most importantly, suppose he does get in. The schools are going to expect a soccer/football/track star, which he won't be. He'll be totally humiliated and the school will be upset.
  • cc23cc23 Registered User Posts: 26 New Member
    PrincipalIV, you need to calm down. Beating up on helpme isn't getting anyone anywhere. Calling them illiterate isn't making you any smarter.

    Also there is no reason for bringing politics into the matter. You obviously are a democrat. George W. Bush WAS our president, no matter how controversial, and until you match his achievements, you need to respect that.

    I realize this post is coming a bit late, but still.
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