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Lea111 Junior Member

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  • Re: Safety of CTA?

    To be clear, the assault on me on the U of C campus and the robbery in which I was mildly injured in the L station in the Loop both occurred in early 90s. So I'm not part of recent data.

    But given how really rarely I rode the L, the fact that I personally was a victim of a robbery does make me question whether the (I guess?) 1 in 300,000 stat for violent crimes on the CTA in early 90s (I assume that includes waiting for buses and trains too, right?) is accurate. Maybe I was just tremendously unlucky. I did have a suitcase with me, which made me easier pickings. On the other hand, I was an alert adult (no headphones) traveling at 11 a.m. So this does make me question any methodology, the conclusion of which is that violent crime on the L was or is vanishingly rare.

    Same for any descriptions about Hyde Park in the late 80s / early 90s. The young man who lived in my university-owned apartment south of the midway before I moved in was robbed at gunpoint coming home from class at 4 p.m. A few years later, I was the victim of a violent crime at almost the exact same location, even though I was only very rarely outside, especially alone, after dinner time, and was very alert to danger. My apartment was never burglarized, and I walked home in the dark around 4 or 5 or 6 p.m. from classes and activities for years before the attack occurred. So up to that point, I was cautious, but also felt I'd had an okay time of it, compared with the apartment's previous occupant, and was happy to have saved a lot of money on rent of a private apartment. As I said, before I became a victim of violent crime, I could have said, "I've made it through 3 years here without being a victim of violent crime."

    I am hoping that things are safer in that area nowadays. It's hard to tell, when so many who start out saying so end up saying that robberies aren't that big a deal (or even part of the attraction of Hyde Park or city life!). Or it's "everything is pretty safe around here ... but be sure to always travel in groups". Like that's even remotely possible without having huge effects on a student's life.

    In any event, DD is going to be living and doing a lot of work within a 5-minute walk of where I was attacked, perhaps for the next 4 years. I don't disagree that sometimes risks are worth it. I just don't think we should misstate the risks, both because people who request information deserve the truth, so that they can make their own decisions, and because many college age people do tend to underestimate the risks already (until something bad happens to them or to a friend). It's hard to avoid unduly alarming the anxious, while also giving a realistic picture to someone who maybe needs to hear that wandering around alone at 1 a.m. (or walking swiftly alone at 9 p.m. as I was doing) in Hyde Park does pose a risk, that headphones or earbuds or staring at your iPhone makes you more vulnerable, etc.
  • Re: University of Chicago -- The Meteoric Rise

    "I couldn't find any violent crime on campus or really even near it (within a block or two), most was theft which like @Marylandfour said is students leaving there stuff unattended and someone grabbing it."

    I don't care too much about theft. Sure it's a hassle if kids have to be careful about their property and annoying when you have to pay to replace something fairly expensive, but in the end, it is just money, which is a relatively small thing compared with $300,000 in tuition, room, and board.

    I care a LOT about violence, including the emotional trauma from threatened violence, and the risk that a robbery becomes something other than just a loss of property and emotional trauma.

    I looked for only a few seconds, and in the report in Zinhead's first link, found a reported strong-arm robbery at 61st, in the blocks between Logan Center and the South dormitory at 5:20 p.m. on 6/22/16.

    It all depends on what you're comparing with. If you're comparing with other parts of big cities, that's one thing; if you're the kind of person who can say something like, "It's pretty safe; the worse that's likely to happen is that you'll get mugged", then maybe you think the U of C campus and areas close by are pretty safe. If you're coming from a non-city environment, where someone being robbed/mugged (much less at gun- or knife-point, much less injured at all) is the kind of thing you'd see on the news, not hear about happening to friends of friends, then that same description will seem very different to you.

    BTW, when I was a victim of violent crime in Hyde Park, I almost didn't report it (stress, hassle, and knowing that the only benefit would be that it would show up in crime reports ... and then when they came, the Chicago cops ended up criticizing me for the bad locks U of C had on my apartment). But in the end I did report it, and looking at the online reports now, I realize that it probably didn't even show up in the regular crime reports. When I was a victim of violent crime in the Loop (a mugging that slightly injured me), I didn't report it, because I absolutely *had* to get to work that morning and I guess I didn't feel like it would make much difference. I never thought to ask the guy who lived in our U of C apartment the year before us, the one who was robbed at gunpoint coming home from class at 4 in the afternoon, whether he reported that crime, but I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was no. Crime reports may or may not tell you about relative crime levels, but they don't tell you about absolute crime levels, because a lot of it isn't reported.
  • Re: University of Chicago -- The Meteoric Rise

    I lived in Hyde Park for 3 years and in downtown Chicago for 4. (Late 80s and early 90s.) I was the victim of violent crime once on Ingleside between 60th and 61st at 9 p.m. (being dropped off by U of C shuttle that let me off at 61st and Ingleside) and once in the Loop at about 11 a.m. going up the escalator from the subway. In both cases, I had been moving around the same area for years before crimes occurred. (The student who lived in my Hyde Park apartment before I moved in had been robbed at gunpoint coming from his afternoon class to the apartment at 4 p.m. (in winter), so it's not like I wasn't forewarned, but after a few years of nothing bad happening, you do start to relax a bit.) There's no way I could have prevented the Hyde Park crime, other than never ever walk a half block alone after dark (which I did only very rarely) or not live in my assigned apartment (which would have put me at greater risk, probably). Or possibly, I guess, insist that the U of C shuttle driver wait on the corner for 2 minutes until I got inside (but if that was necessary, why didn't they do it without being asked?). I could not have avoided the Loop crime, except by always paying for cabs to and from the airport.

    We are white. Our DD goes to a high school that is majority African American; some of these students are middle class but most come from impoverished families. She has never been the victim of any crime, at school or otherwise. We live in an area where there are not-extremely-rare gunpoint robberies between her school and our house, and if she gets out of school activity after dark, we almost always arrange a ride home for her.

    Before she leaves for Chicago, I will tell our DD to be cautious and go slow in exploring new areas, plan in advance as much as possible, try to stay alert, trust her gut if something feels unsafe or not right, and when it comes to safety, not worry about offending anyone.
  • Re: How best to use AP and college credit to "place out"

    "Several AP courses, with a good score, will provide credit for Calc 151. AP statistics can provide your second math Core credit." I don't believe you can use AP Statistics credit with a Calc credit to satisfy gen ed requirement. Footnote on The Curriculum page: *MATH 13100 Elementary Functions and Calculus I, MATH 15100 Calculus I, MATH 16100 Honors Calculus I, and MATH 16210 Honors Calculus II (IBL) may be used to meet the general education requirement in mathematical sciences only if MATH 13200 Elementary Functions and Calculus II, MATH 15200 Calculus II, MATH 16200 Honors Calculus II, or MATH 16210 Honors Calculus II (IBL)​ is also taken. Statistics AP credit may not be used in combination with a calculus course, with STAT 20000 Elementary Statistics, or with STAT 22000 Statistical Methods and Applications."
  • Re: Is U Chicago a "stretch" or a "don't apply" for my S?

    So far this year, I've only heard of I think two people being offered merit aid (a regular decision admittee on College Confidential and maybe an EA admittee??).