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Summer Arch housing fiasco

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  • annamomannamom 1304 replies145 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,449 Senior Member
    I am not sure asking a lot of questions will really help. They will tell you that they make decision case by case, however, from what I read, some said that they did not allow students to skip Arch even they found summer internship. Also Summer Arch does not mean internship, it refers an away program, technically if a student cannot find internship, the student can study aboard or even work on a "research" project with a professor. I think one problem with Summer Arch is that a student loses the opportunity to look for summer internship after sophomore. If the student cannot find internship for the away semester, the student just has less opportunity to look for internship.
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  • StudentsR1stStudentsR1st 107 replies6 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 113 Junior Member
    Asking questions cannot hurt. I suggest everyone not be satisfied with "generic answers that sound good". When given an answer like "it is decided on a case-by-case basis" state there must be some criteria or guidelines - what are they? It is the same with answers like "the administrations takes (hazing, teaching evaluations, etc) very seriously". State that is good to hear what are some examples of what they have done over the last few years? If told "a policy has been enacted" ask what has been its impact. I think arch should be considered at best an experiment that failed and at worst something that never should have been attempted for many reasons. Losing the best time for a co-op/internship is one of them. . However, I have not seen any data/results to the contrary. The tute should have the opportunity to present its success if it is successful. The only thing that is irrelevant is how it helps RPI's bottom line and financial viability.
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  • StudentsR1stStudentsR1st 107 replies6 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 113 Junior Member
    Here is the link to ask questions of housing

    https://webforms.rpi.edu/contact-student-living-learning
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  • Tinag1223Tinag1223 10 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 10 New Member
    @StudentsRst, @sunnyschool Thanks for your candor. My daughter is deciding between Pitt, UMass, Bucknell and RPI for biomed or Chem-e. Reading the negative comments surrounding the ARCH program has given us a lot to think about.
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  • StudentsR1stStudentsR1st 107 replies6 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 113 Junior Member
    Since only roughly 1/3 of the campus is Greek and RPI has not yet decided if Greek Housing can be used for ARCH; RPI should just be open and honest.

    They should say - we have a program where students live on-campus for their first 5 semesters (this means paying room and board). The benefits outweigh the cost for the following reasons: (RPI Insert Here). The only exception is for students who join Greek Organizations - they can spend semester s 2 and 3 in Greek Housing.

    They should also say half of you will be on campus as follows: FR Fall, FR Spring, Summer Off, SO Fall, So Spring, So/Jr Summer (3 consecutive terms). Half of you will stay on campus for the Jr Fall term (4 consecutive terms on campus).

    This is ARCH combined with CLASS
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  • annamomannamom 1304 replies145 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,449 Senior Member
    what is CLASS?
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  • StudentsR1stStudentsR1st 107 replies6 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 113 Junior Member
    CLASS is the program that requires students to live on campus during their sophomore year.
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  • StudentsR1stStudentsR1st 107 replies6 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 113 Junior Member
    Students in the first and sophomore year are required to live on campus in the Residential Commons with their class cluster. Sophomore students may elect to live in their affiliated Greek Chapter house if they are an active member and fulfill all other obligations as part of the good standing and by-laws of each Greek chapter house.

    From: http://catalog.rpi.edu/content.php?catoid=18&navoid=433#student_living_learning

    All Second Year students are required to live and dine on campus. The exception is those with an approved Greek Commons Application.

    From: https://www.rpi.edu/dept/res-life/forms/UpperclassmenRoom-BoardRates2018-19.pdf
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  • lambh5lambh5 3 replies1 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 4 New Member
    But now with the summer ARCH, students are required to live on campus for basically the first semester of the Junior year as well. That's just nuts!
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  • atxfatheratxfather 53 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 53 Junior Member
    And since it's probably more difficult to find off-campus housing for just 1 semester, I'd bet a bunch more juniors just decide to live on campus for which ever semester they are in Troy.
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  • RPIparent77RPIparent77 20 replies1 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 21 Junior Member
    RUN AWAY FROM RPI!! My daughter is now about to start the ARCH program and it is nothing short of ridiculous!! I was told when entered as a Freshman I could get her off campus and help with the insane housing costs that RPI charges. I knew about the ARCH but was told she did not have to live on campus The internal staff has no idea what is happening!! , I have to move her 3 times for this so called "program" that is clear that it is because RPI needs revenue! Move her out of the current 2 weeks later move her into a dorm, then move her out of the dorm wait another 2 weeks and into Fall housing (if there is enough) that will need to also be on campus because who rents for 3 months?? Landords want a full year lease! I am certain that RPI knew that this would be the case!! If I was a student looking at schools I would RUN AWAY from RPI! Also, Ms. Jackson has the system figured out...when the students get to this point of their education they cannot transfer into a different equivalent school because often they will have too many credits completed. So, my daughter is literally STUCK there! Also, they are charging more for the summer housing than I have paid for single room housing and they are being treated as freshmen! They have zero housing options and being told that not all dining halls will be open for the summer. However, we are paying top dollar and charged stupid "Arch activity fees"! Also Troy is not a nice area so off campus housing is hard to find where they are safe.

    Also - to add they are not helping the students much finding opportunities, and they have to chose their off semester with zero knowledge of where they may work. Note - not many companies hire fall term, and a 2.5 month co-op because of the holidays. No-one at RPI will share that info with the students! Once they make the choice they are locked in - again a complete scam!! I would ask Ms. Jackson to help justify the cost with her absurd yearly earnings as the highest paid president of all colleges in the US! I do not feel that this school provides what it claims and charges for.

    That was just the financial side.... this school is ranked in the top 50 most effort and work put toward their studies... now do that with zero break! My daughter will be in school at RPI for 4 straight semesters before "hopefully" finding a co-op. Currently she is holding a 3.9 GPA, not sure how long that can last. Perhaps RPI thinks some stupid Arch activity will keep her motivated? (joke)

    Also - don't try to call and discuss this with anyone at RPI, they do not return your calls nor emails. It is mandatory, that simple. Pull your kid out or pay the bill!
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  • SitcomDadSitcomDad 5 replies1 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 6 New Member
    Update: Housing waiver was denied. Arch office had told us that the ability to commute from home would be a strong argument in our favor, but the denial specifically called that out as irrelevant. So much for good advice.

    So far, nobody at RPI is willing to say what is supposed to be awesome about the Arch housing requirement, but neither are they willing to be flexible. So it is very frustrating. I would consider organizing a 'strike' where at least several dozen parents refused to pay this outrageous housing charge, but I suppose it could backfire and hurt our kids. But maybe a collective presence at the Dean of Student's office, or somewhere, would at least send a message that this is unacceptable.

    I have told everyone that will listen that I am 100% sure this kind of thing is affecting alumni giving, not to mention the choice to go to RPI in the first place. The people with the immediate power to affect our student's housing situation don't appear to care.

    --SD
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  • Ultramarine777Ultramarine777 56 replies3 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 59 Junior Member
    @SitcomDad, did you try reaching out to parents on FB, if there is RPI parents group? May be if a number of parents will show up at the dean's office it will help to change the situation?
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  • SitcomDadSitcomDad 5 replies1 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 6 New Member
    @Ultramarine777, thanks for that suggestion. I may try that.

    I find I have to amend my previous statement. I have not yet been able to contact or even identify anyone (other than SAJ herself, i suppose) that has any actual power to do anything meaningful. Who at RPI actually makes policy?
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