also i want to say that for those of u who think the college board has done nothing to stop all the cheating in asia, please do not be naive:
cb has in fact taken very proactive measures to put severe dents into the efforts of widespread cheating that have plagued asia for years and this step taken in march, while most will be critical and skeptical of the reasons for which it was taken, was most likely very necessary to ensure a fair testing environment for all. look at what cb has done and maybe u will understand
-- cheating took place in asia for 5 yrs because workers at test centers stole the tests from the boxes
response: cb sent locked boxes to designated areas in asia and audited/inspected centers they suspected of being involved in theft of tests
-- cheating took place in asia because tests were reused often
response: beginning last year , cb reused unreleased tests that were not in widespread circulation, but it made one error in january in china and in response, made the march decision..look at february 2016 china make up test, many academies in china guaranteed one of their unreleased tests would be used...how shocked were they when a test was reused, but it was one that nobody had..why not? obviously, cb isn't dumb or as negligent as everyone thinks it is
-- second problem was possible because adult test takers stole the tests directly from test centers in the us while taking the exam, which is why we had a china cancellation and leakage in january of 2016
response: screen and prevent certain adult test takers from taking exam as it did in march
say what u want, but if there is any consolation to any of this, it is that life for the cheaters isn't going to get any better...mark my words on that ^^
some chinese "carriers" (not young teens but adults in their 30s and even 40s) will even volunteer to run out of center with test for right price , i believe $3,000 or so, and fly back to china..
The OP discounts every single suggestion that adults cheat. He simply will not acknowledge it.
We weren't discussing "adult cheating," @2018eastorwest; we were discussing whether cheating involved adult test takers. See my post right above yours--that is exactly the language that I used there; it is also the language I have used throughout this thread.
Now, that doesn't mean that adults are not involved in SAT cheating. Just last year, as you likely recall, federal law enforcement took down an international Chinese-American cheating operation that forged passports and sent imposter test-takers to sit the SAT in place of others. Were adults involved? Yes. Were adults test-takers involved? No.
And @2018eastorwest, just to clarify, although I have said this all before:
I do know and believe that adults are extensively involved in SAT cheating.
What I keep disputing is the role of adult test takers. Is it likely that at least one adult test taker has cheated or enabled cheating at at least one point in the past? Yes, of course it is. But is there any evidence that adult test takers are responsible for any non-trivial share of all SAT cheating? No, there really isn't. Not one of the major cheating scandals has involved--and none of the known methods of cheating require--an adult test-taker in a test center.
some chinese "carriers" (not young teens but adults in their 30s and even 40s) will even volunteer to run out of center with test for right price , i believe $3,000 or so, and fly back to china.
@jgoggs: "Really now, @2018eastorwest , there are only so many times I am willing to cover the exact same ground, "
Actually you seem more than willing, eager really, to cover the exact same ground ad nauseam. You patrol this thread for anyone who posts a view that conflicts with your own and brow beat the poor poster who hasn't bothered to read your dozens of other nearly identical, point-by-point diatribes.
Please, folks, stop posting on this thread and let it die a natural death as it slips from the first page!
SO, back to your question - why would people need to fly in from China (if they were not going to cheat - i.e. use the info gained from the test for monetary gain; illegally/improperly "share" the info on the test with clients)? I'm not understanding why any adult non-students from Asia would book flights and accommodations and spend all that money and time to take the March test - just to uncover flaws? Is that your explanation?
but I think the bottom line is that most of us are not terribly concerned about the right of adults who are not applying to college to take a test designed for students who are.
Our forum is expected to be a friendly and welcoming place, and one in which members can post without their motives, intelligence, or other personal characteristics being questioned by others.
it did not ban them from all tests; it banned them from the March test only
How do you know they aren't banned from those months? Perhaps they will be. They didn't make the call on March until after registration.
Also, October, January and May are all testing dates with QAS.
While I have no love lost for CB, they owe us no explanation
Because I know of people over age 21 who are registered for dates other than May, including dates that have not traditionally been QAS dates.