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Must You Submit All SAT, ACT, or SAT Subject Test Scores


Replies to: Must You Submit All SAT, ACT, or SAT Subject Test Scores

  • drusbadrusba Registered User Posts: 9,450 Senior Member
    UPDATE: Many colleges typically do any annual updates of their website pages dealing with admissions in August. Here are some changes I have seen in August 2017 for colleges that are listed in the opening part of this thread as having an all scores rule.

    Tufts, a college that previously had an all scores rule but seemed to make that less clear last year, has now clarified that it recommends but does not require sending all scores: http://admissions.tufts.edu/apply/first-year-students/sat-and-act-tests/

    Harvey Mudd, once again, has dropped any reference to requiring all scores in the section of its site that lists requirements, https://www.hmc.edu/admission/apply/first-year-students/application-materials/ It had an all scores rule clearly spelled out before 2015. In August 2015, it updated its applicable Requirments page and removed any reference to requiring all scores. I made inquiry if the rule had actually changed, was told no, and quickly thereafter the Requirements page was updated to state an all scores rule. The same thing happened in August 2016. It updated its Requirments page for those applying for 2017 admission and dropped any reference to an all scores rule. Another poster on this site made inquiry and once again Harvey Mudd asserted it required all scores and shortly thereafter it amended its Requirements page to show such a rule. Now, it has, for the third year in a row, dropped any reference to an all scores rule on its Requirements page. To me, if the site does not say all scores are required, then Harvey Mudd cannot possibly claim, if you fail to send all scores, that you have violated any all scores rule that it has chosen not to mention on its site.

    Barnard, as already noted above, Barnard still requires either all SATs or all ACTs but has dropped any requirements relating to subject tests and has decided it no longer will use subject tests to determine admission.

    Stanford still requires both all SATs and all ACTs and allows you to submit whatever subject tests you want to submit. However, it has new rules for whether you need to send official scores from the testing agencies. If you attend a US high school, self reporting all your ACT and SAT scores on your application for admission is sufficent to be considered for admission.You do not have to submit offical scores until after you are admitted and choose to enroll. If you do not attend a US high school, you must submit official scores as part of the application process. However, for anyone reporting, official scores can be those from the testing agency or those reported on your high school transcript, i.e., if all your scores appear on your high school transcript, you never have to send scores from the testing agency. As to subject tests, self-reporting the scores as part of the application is sufficent to have them considered and there does not appear to be any requirement to send offical subject test scores even after being admitted. Also, Stanford continues to superscore SAT tests but has modified its rule on the ACT, which previously was to use that test with the hjighest composite to determine admission. It still uses that ACT test with highest composite but also uses the highest English and writing scores from multiple ACT tests, i.e., it now supersores the English and writing scores of the ACT but not others. http://admission.stanford.edu/apply/freshman/testing.html

    Carnegie Mellon has changed its rules as they apply to subject tests. You still must submit either all SATs or all ACTs, but that all scores rule no longer applies to subject tests. In fact, Carnegie Mellon has dropped a requirement for subject tests and instead subject tests are now "recommended" for certain colleges. https://admission.enrollment.cmu.edu/pages/standardized-test-requirements. However, after stating that tests are only recommended, CM, like typical bureaucrats that are incapable of clarity and hedge on everything to assure confusion, has added language that makes one wonder what the recommendation actually means. Immediately after stating subject tests are recommended, CM declares: "Some students may find the cost of taking and submitting SAT Subject Tests to be prohibitive. Applicants won't be penalized if the cost of taking the SAT Subject Tests causes financial hardship and as a result, prohibits their submission." The question that language obviously creates is whether applicants who can afford to take the tests will be penalized if they don't submit them (which, in turn raises the question of how CM determines whether someone could afford to take subject tests -- that may be easy to determine for some applicants but it could be tricky to make a determination for many). In any event, you should still consider it a good idea to submit subject tests if you can, simply because most of those with whom you are competing will likely be submitting them to CM.

    Cornell requires either all SATs or all ACTs (or all of both if you choose to submit both), but now phrases its all scores rule in such a way that it apears that the all scores rule may be inapplicable to subject tests. Two subject tests are still required by its key colleges but it appears doubtful you have to submit more than two if you took more than two. https://admissions.cornell.edu/standardized-testing requirements.

    Florida State was previously ambiguous on whether it required all scores. As noted in some posts above, I made multiple inquiries last season concerning whether it actually required all ACT or SAT scores and the response I got was that a response would be forthcoming, which never occurred. FSU has now changed the prior references to its possible all scores language. It appears now to require all scores, although it is still somewhat ambiguous. What has definitely changed is how they must be reported. The requirements now state that after you send an application, you should submit the following in your "Application Status Check" before the application deadline: "Self-report all ACT and/or SAT test scores." However, it requires an official score report for only one test, either SAT or ACT. See http://admissions.fsu.edu/freshman/ It thus appears to require you to self-report all scores but you need send only one official test from a testing agency. It is possible that change was caused by my inquiries because one of the things I pointed out to FSU was that ACT requires a separate order and fee for sending each test and thus, if FSU actually required all official scores, it applicants would have to pay separately to send multiple tests.

  • horse02horse02 Registered User Posts: 1 New Member
    Question--my son took ACT in 7th grade for Duke TIP program. Would that score count under the All ACT scores rule?
    If so, would the specific school take into consideration that the test was taken as a middle school student? If I remember correctly, I think he got 24 out of 36 composite with no prep. I am hoping when he actually takes it (again) in high school, he'll be better prepared.
  • drusbadrusba Registered User Posts: 9,450 Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    ^Colleges that require all ACT or SAT scores do not require any scores for tests taken in eighth grade or before. In fact, even if you submit them, colleges generally will not use such tests to determine admission.
  • AmduseusAmduseus Registered User Posts: 103 Junior Member
    At a school that requires all SAT scores to be sent--say, Yale--are subject tests included? Seeing how sending all SATs is mandatory but subject tests are optional, does this mean that I can choose not to send a bad test as long as it's a subject test?
  • drusbadrusba Registered User Posts: 9,450 Senior Member
    edited October 2017
    ^Yale allows you to choose which, if any, subject test scores you want to send, see https://admissions.yale.edu/faq/standardized-testing (and open the second question and read it to the end of its answer). As of today, it appears that the only college left which actually requires you to submit the scores of all subject tests you have taken is Georgetown.
  • murakami16murakami16 Registered User Posts: 2 New Member
    edited December 2017
    On a followup to the above question: If I'm applying to a school like Yale that doesn't participate in score choice but allows for specific SAT Subject test scores to be sent, If I've taken one sitting of the ACT and will be submitting that as my one and only ACT score, and I've taken two sittings of the SAT I but am not submitting either score for review, If I have a set of 3 Subject Test score I would like to submit, do I have to submit the two SAT I scores I have? I apologize if my wording was muddled.
  • SREE33SREE33 Registered User Posts: 544 Member
    I think you have to, bc there is really no other way.
  • SREE33SREE33 Registered User Posts: 544 Member
    I did not do this, but I am curious. So how do colleges even knwo you submitted ALL your scores? If the school used score choice, but it says they want ALL scores, how do they know if you sent ALL scores or not?
  • suzy100suzy100 Registered User Posts: 5,323 Senior Member
    Yale's wording is tricky, so I might call admissions and ask if you can send just ACT + Subject Tests without the SAT1.

    "As long as you provide a complete set of score reports from one testing agency (either the College Board or ACT), you are not required to report scores from both. You may choose to report either all of your SAT results or all of your ACT results. If you want us to have any scores from both the SAT and ACT, you must report all scores from both exams. SAT Subject Tests are recommended but not required. Applicants may be selective in reporting SAT Subject Tests."

    @SREE33, it is absolutely possible to send the ACT scores and just the Subject Tests (no SAT1) and be selective about which Subject Tests too.
  • drusbadrusba Registered User Posts: 9,450 Senior Member
    Frankly, I consider Yale's wording as precisely meaning you can send ACT and any subject tests you want to send and not send any SAT's. Yale itself also agrees with that interpretation, see the second bullet point under Recommended Testing about 3/4's the way down on this page https://admissions.yale.edu/standardized-testing where it states:

    "If you are submitting all of your ACT with writing results, you may send whatever SAT Subject Tests you like and you are not required to submit any SAT scores."
  • drusbadrusba Registered User Posts: 9,450 Senior Member
    As to Sree33's question as to how will "all scores" colleges know whether you withheld any scores, the answer is they may not unless you tell them but with a couple caveats. For any scores withheld, both College Board and ACT provide absolutely nothing to colleges to even indicate you ever registered to take the test. However, one caveat is what does your high school put on the official transcript it sends to colleges besides grades. Many high schools put all your test scores on the transcript. In fact; some colleges, like Stanford and Yale, actually accept scores on your your high school transcript as sufficient to determine admission and you do not have to send offical scores from the testing agencies. Thus, if your high school is one that puts all your scores on the transcript, the college will learn all your scores despite your withholding any when ordering them sent by the testing agencies (and, of course, the transcript will be the proof needed to show that you intended to withhold scores when ordering them from the testing agency). A second caveat concerns state testing. If your state is one of those that has its own testing date for the SAT or ACT and requires all high school students (such as all juniors) to take it, and then when you send scores you withhold that one, the college may assume you are withholding a score, and, yes, colleges all know about state required testing.
  • WuggawooWuggawoo Registered User Posts: 12 New Member
    Is there an updated version of this for 2017? Or are most of these still accurate?
  • drusbadrusba Registered User Posts: 9,450 Senior Member
    ^Not sure exactly what you are referring to but if you mean an update to the original series of posts in this thread, then see my post #45 above from August 2017.
  • londondadlondondad Registered User Posts: 2,151 Senior Member
    "Is there an updated version of this for 2017? Or are most of these still accurate?"

    These change all of the time - you need to check each school's requirements.
  • swtaffy904swtaffy904 Registered User Posts: 201 Junior Member
    Is it bad if you send too many scores? My D took 3 SAT subject tests and sent all of her scores to all schools she applied to. Is there a penalty for not following directions if they asked for two and she sent three?
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