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List of Average SAT Scores at 50 Colleges and Universities

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  • A-CardA-Card Registered User Posts: 786 Member
    what are averages for harvard, MIT and duke?
  • AKittkaAKittka Registered User Posts: 1,412 Senior Member
    quick question.. my SAT score is 2110. However I have a 760 in writing, 690 in math, and 660 in CR. So I guess I'm asking if my low scores in M and CR make my 2110 look weak since my best score was in writing. Any insights?

    Thanks
  • HuntHunt Registered User Posts: 26,854 Senior Member
    "Ridiculous. Colleges do not intentionally mislead on their websites."

    No, but the colleges can define their terms as they wish, and they may not necessarily tell you. At least at the CB site, there is an attempt to compare apples to apples. They may both be correct, but the college site may exclude some category of students from the average for its own reasons, for example, and you won't necessarily be able to tell this.
  • ACT4ACT4 Registered User Posts: 30 Junior Member
    There seems to be some confusion about data reported on various websites listing average SAT scores. Several different websites have conflicting scores for the same school. Which source should you believe?

    This is an issue that came up many years ago because some schools were using creative ways for calculating the statistics they reported. For example, when a school reported its average SAT scores it might exclude the results of recruited athletes, or they might not include the verbal score of international students who spoke English as a second language. These techniques were implemented in an attempt to make the reporting school look as favorable as possible. It created a situation where school to school comparisons became apples versus oranges.

    To rectify this problem, a group was formed in the mid 1990’s to develop standard definitions for reporting data so that all interested parties would know that the same data item was reported the same way by various colleges. This became known as the Common Data Set Initiative.

    Common Data Set Initiative

    Since the late 1990’s, once this was adopted, the best and most accurate primary source of data for college admissions is the Common Data Set (CDS). Every school compiles a CDS, and this is the source that all of the various providers of college admissions data, like the College Board, US News & World Report, Barrons, Petersons, Fiske, etc., use for publishing their tables and lists.

    Many schools make their CDS available to the public, so this is the best place to look for accurate admissions data. However, there are three major problems with using the CDS for information. First, not every school makes their CDS available to the public. This list includes Harvard, U Penn, Duke and Washington University, among others. Second, of those that do release their CDS, they are not all available at the same time. The most current CDSs available are for the 2007-08 year, and only about half of the schools that release their CDS have the most current one available. Finally, even with the most currently available CDS, it still represents data that is almost a year old. For example, the 2007-08 CDS covers data for students who graduated high school in the spring of 2007 and entered college in the Fall of 2007. There’s no good information for this years class. It won’t be available for another year.

    When looking at websites that report the data, be careful of what they are reporting. Many places are publishing 2006 data, which is almost 2 years old. Sometimes they take the best of what is available so they mix 2006 data with 2007 data. This adds to the confusion.

    When looking at average test scores on a school’s website, be careful that you understand what they are reporting. The most relevant information is the middle 50% scores for enrolled students. This tells you what the profile is of the students who are actually attending the school. Often schools will report on their websites the middle 50% for accepted students. This figure will almost always be higher than the enrolled student figure. This makes sense because many of the stronger accepted students end up attending other schools. Only the top schools like Harvard and MIT will have the same figures for accepted and enrolled students.

    Remember that school websites exist as marketing tools for the college to make themselves look good, however that is defined. Therefore, whatever they put on their website they view as helpful to their image. Try not to look at only what they tell you, but also what they don’t tell you. If an important piece of information is not available on the website, ask why are they not providing that information?
  • SuperMarioJSuperMarioJ Registered User Posts: 165 Junior Member
    I'm rather surprised by Hopkins' average
  • callie123callie123 Registered User Posts: 80 Junior Member
    SuperMarioJ: That's because the data reported is incorrect as it probably is for many schools. Why look anywhere except at the web site which gives first-hand accurate information?
  • bclintonkbclintonk Registered User Posts: 7,311 Senior Member
    ^^ I don't think you can assume it's incorrect. Hopkins' website is reporting the 25th/75th percentile scores for "admitted students," which I take to be all students that the school accepted.

    Hopkins Undergraduate Admissions :: Fast Facts

    These scores (1350-1540 CR + M) are higher than the 25th/75th percentile scores for the "entering class" reported on the College Board website (1290-1500). For reasons that ACT4 explained, these figures could be perfectly consistent. JHU's "yield" (percentage of "admitted students" who actually enroll) is only about 30%, because many of their applicants are also admitted to, and choose to attend, other schools. Many successful Ivy or Duke applicants, for example, will apply to JHU as their second or third choice; if they get into their first or second choice, they go there. Their scores, generally very high scores, will be included in the "admitted students" report you'll find on the JHU website, bringing those medians up. The lower half of JHU's admit pool, on the other hand, are less likely to be admitted to higher-ranked schools; consequently their scores will end up in the "enrolled students" medians, from which a lot of the top-scoring "admitted students" are now excluded. It's quite straightforward, really.

    The question is, which set of figures gives you a better read on your actual chances of admission? I'd say it's the higher "admitted students" figures. If you get a combined CR + M score between 1290 and 1350, for example, you'd be in the bottom quartile of the students to whom JHU offers admission, even though when everything shakes out you might end up in the middle 50% of their enrolled class. Of course, they undoubtedly know this as well, and may take it into account in making their admissions decisions. But it's not clear this helps you so much, because their goal is to get those 25th/75th percentile medians as high as they can, and that puts you in a somewhat marginal category if you're in the group that's potentially pulling down the 25th percentile median.
  • Gretchen1992Gretchen1992 Registered User Posts: 30 Junior Member
    Hello. Im a senior student trying to apply to college. Tomorrow is the deadline for most colleges. But idk where apply.
    I came from Cuba at the end of 9th grade and i was placed in ESL ( English Second Language classes until 11 grade.
    Right now I have 4.0 ( unweighted GPA) AND 5.0 ( Weighted gpa)
    My SAT scores are not that high. just 1760
    M 620
    R 530
    W 610
    Im first generation going to college and my family has a low income
    I was an actress in Cuba and i have 400 community hours.
    I had also won a lot of awards.
    I am a resident in Florida and i want to apply to private outstate universities.
    WHERE SHOULD I APPLY?
    I want to major in biology
  • porkpersonporkperson Registered User Posts: 2,071 Senior Member
    this is slightly more irrelevant because even just three years later, the admissions have become noticeably more selective.
  • AVHS DadAVHS Dad Registered User Posts: 944 Member
    Check this link for a list of schools that don't require SAT/ACT scores.

    The National Center for Fair & Open Testing | FairTest

    Unfortunately, by waiting this long you've got a lot of work to do very quickly and very limited options because many colleges had deadlines of January 1st.

    Good luck!
  • Gretchen1992Gretchen1992 Registered User Posts: 30 Junior Member
    but which private colleges should i apply to with my scores and my background???
  • AVHS DadAVHS Dad Registered User Posts: 944 Member
    Okay, I'm not going to rake you over the coals anymore.
    Try Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York.
    There is no application cut off, their average test scores are in your range and they have bio.

    I really want to ask why you waited so long, and about the gap between your grades and scores...but I won't.
    *sigh*
    Good luck.
  • Gretchen1992Gretchen1992 Registered User Posts: 30 Junior Member
    Thanks... I know there is a big gap between my gpa and test scores. idk. Maybe because im not a good test taker or just due to the fact that i have been in US since 10th grade ( end of 9th grade exactly) I do not know if UF is gonna accept me
  • mom2collegekidsmom2collegekids Registered User Posts: 82,545 Senior Member
    What?

    The average ACT at Notre Dame is a 32 (99th percentile)

    But...

    The average SAT at Notre Dame is a 1990? (Which is about 95th percentile)

    That seems odd to me.
  • mom2collegekidsmom2collegekids Registered User Posts: 82,545 Senior Member
    Hello. Im a senior student trying to apply to college. Tomorrow is the deadline for most colleges. But idk where apply.
    I came from Cuba at the end of 9th grade and i was placed in ESL ( English Second Language classes until 11 grade.
    Right now I have 4.0 ( unweighted GPA) AND 5.0 ( Weighted gpa)
    My SAT scores are not that high. just 1760
    M 620
    R 530
    W 610
    Im first generation going to college and my family has a low income
    I was an actress in Cuba and i have 400 community hours.
    I had also won a lot of awards.
    I am a resident in Florida and i want to apply to private outstate universities.
    WHERE SHOULD I APPLY?
    I want to major in biology



    Are you a green card resident?

    How much can your family afford to pay for your education?

    Do you know what your EFC is?

    That will likely help decide where you can go.

    Also, when you answer these questions, we'll be able to make recommendations.

    :)
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