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sattut
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I am working with a client who has about 630 on the math level 2. He is applying for engineering and has hooks, so they are fine with submitting that kind of score. I was wondering what score on the math level 1 would be high enough that it would be preferable to submit that? I know the math level 1 has a harder curve.

## Replies to: How much better does your math level 1 score need to be to submit it.

50Junior Member686Member486MemberMy take on top schools saying they'll take either is like them saying Subject Tests are optional. I think submitting anything under an 800 Math 1 to MIT, and even an 800, would put you at a disadvantage.

32,498Senior MemberIt's a mistake to focus on stats alone, as if. Yes, 630 in any math is low for many engineering progeams, because of the competition. But you haven't even hinted at the targets or at the rest of what this kid will offer. Or not. GPA, rigor, math-sci ECs, collaborative stem activities, breadth, and more. Some hook wont make up for an incomplete whole record.

What sort of targets?

3,495Senior Member486MemberNo one said to focus on stats alone. There was a question about one data point, the answers are about that one data point. Broad discussions about admission don't belong in a "what Math 1 score" topic.

32,498Senior MemberFor engineering at many colleges, 630 could be fine. See the issue here?

3,421Senior Member3 kids admitted to engineering of various flavors, not one of them took an SAT subject test.

76,728Senior MemberThis score was earned after completing which high school math courses?

If this was after completing trigonometry and precalculus, that suggests that the student may not be optimally ready for calculus and may need to review some high school math topics before going to college to study engineering or other math-heavy subject.

If the student has completed algebra 2 and geometry but not beyond those by the time of the test (probably means a student who is not advanced in math, taking trigonometry and precalculus in 12th grade), then math level 1 is the more appropriate test.

1,049Senior MemberStudent initially was going to take math level 1. I suggested to parent that he take math level 2, as he had honors precalc, and most people submit level 2 for engineering or top schools. Student preferred level 2, as forgot a lot of the earlier math. However, he is getting almost all of problems 35-50 wrong, so thought we might consider level 1.

76,728Senior MemberWhat grade did he earn in the course?

If he earned an A in the course (and previous math courses), that can be a warning that the high school's courses are not of good quality, or the grades are highly inflated. He may need to review or learn any gaps in his knowledge of high school math before going to college to study engineering, regardless of what SAT subject scores he presents for admissions. Otherwise, college math and everything depending on it in engineering could be a difficult struggle.

Many colleges will have math placement tests like this one that new students take before enrolling in calculus 1: http://www.math.buffalo.edu/rur/rurci3.cgi

76,728Senior Member40Junior Member1,049Senior MemberThe student is just going to average public schools, and the precalculus class may not be that great, and he may be getting a B in it.

Yeh, the fact that he does well on the first 2/3 but terrible on the last 1/3 probably indicates I need to teach him more of the advanced material.

76,728Senior MemberIs he currently in the course now, or did he take it last year? If he is currently in the course, when (which test date) did he take the math level 2 subject test?

If he is currently in the course, but took the math level 2 subject test months ago, then it is obvious why he does not know some of the material.