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At What Price?

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  • BJM8BJM8 Registered User Posts: 1,279 Senior Member
    many institutions have become craftier at making themselves look good, some changing academic policies to improve their standings. Some schools purge alumni databases, removing people unlikely to donate (e.g., students who did not graduate) in order to increase the alumni giving rate. Other schools market to students who have no realistic chance of being admitted simply to drive up the school's applications and thus its selectivity rate.”
    Sad, but true! It is amazing what schools will do to increase rankings; not cheating, but........

    Let's just call it the way it is, Smith is a great school with tremendous advantages over many other LAC's and Ivies. I just want them sell it that way, and let everyone know how wonderful an institution it really is.
  • BJM8BJM8 Registered User Posts: 1,279 Senior Member
    You have OPPD……….Optimistic Proud Parent Disorder. It’s a fairly common affliction and not easily cured.
    That's pretty common around these parts! *LOL*
  • TheDadTheDad Registered User, ! Posts: 10,225 Senior Member
    Yeah, an OPPD is one of many factors that has made me fairly conservative...an idiom not oft found in conjunction with my name...in estimating "chances."

    Someone...it may have been the ubiquitous Mini...pointed out later that a lot of Yale's admissions are predicated on who they think will emerge as a leader in society later. Certainly there was nothing in D's profile to suggest good odds of that compared to many other students. I also came to understand that she was in the "wrong" economic strata for good odds of admission. My naivete burbles to the surface ever always.
  • ticklemepinkticklemepink Registered User Posts: 2,764 Senior Member
    <<It wasn’t that may years ago Colgate was an ok LAC known as the party college of the east and ranked far below Smith. Now they’re ranked ahead of Smith with an impressive class profile.
    Colgate worked very hard to change their image and they have obtained impressive, if not outstanding results. It might behoove Smith to take notice, images and perceptions of a college matter.>>

    That's what I heard about Colgate in my freshman-sophomore years in high school. My father ('72) wasn't all that gung-ho about asking me to consider Colgate just because I was a legacy because he still remembered Colgate as being a huge drinking school though the academics were getting strong. He was just like, eh. Then I saw major changes in Colgate in my junior-senior years that made me actually want to apply there and take it as a serious runner next to Smith. All it took was a terrible drunk-driving accident that killed 2 Colgate students and 2 visiting friends for Colgate to wake up and realize what it was getting itself into- admitting idiot, immature students taking its academics for granted. Ever since, Colgate went full-force to change its image, especially in Greek life. Now it's at its best shape its ever been in.

    Now, I definitely do not want Smith to face such a catastrophe on campus that it needs a wake-up call to change its admissions or image or whatever it takes to attract and retain its freshmen class. Smith does need to set some priorities to make everyone happy. Colgate been successful in granting very generous aid to lower-income students by admitting as many wealthy students as possible who will pay the full ticket price. It did not need to make any kind of budget cuts (and we are completely renovating a library and building a new science center) to accomdate anyone. That's what I liked about Colgate- taking full charge without losing face. Smith is definitely treading on thin ice and will risk embarassment down the road if it doesn't change even if it means having to be cruel and aggressive to some of its policies.

    So interesting that we've been comparing these two colleges lately... not because I'm here, is it??? :)
  • roadlesstraveledroadlesstraveled Registered User Posts: 1,146 Senior Member
    So interesting that we've been comparing these two colleges lately... not because I'm here, is it??? }}}}

    No, that would be because of me but you know why :)
  • roadlesstraveledroadlesstraveled Registered User Posts: 1,146 Senior Member
    {{Colgate been successful in granting very generous aid to lower-income students by admitting as many wealthy students as possible who will pay the full ticket price. It did not need to make any kind of budget cuts}}}

    Here is one instance Smith excels. Colgate offers only 30 % of its students aid. Smith offers aid to 60 % of its students. With the saving Smith could achieve if they cut aid to only 30% of its students they too could do many more things many of us have on our wish list and not make budget cuts either. But then 170+ low income students wouldn’t be getting a great education, if they were getting educated at all. I guess fewer dinning rooms is still a fair price to pay in my opinion. The Praxis program that help fund students who accept unpaid internships is also a nice perk. Smith will also pay for students to attend meeting and seminars. My daughter and her friends were in DC at a convention complexly paid for, plane tickets included, by Smith. Granted, you can only do that once a year but it’s still generous of Smith to fund students who normally couldn’t afford, or even those that can, attend cultural/ educational events around the country


    Colgate is actually building its campus at the expense of the low income students. I’ve never seen that low of a number of students receiving aid until now. But their average indebtedness at graduation is $13,452--very low by any standard.
    Even Dartmouth gives aid to over 50% of its students. But Colgate is a private institution and can do as it wishes. It also explains the jump in SAT averages. Higher income students have higher scores.
    Now that Colgate has done away with the online app fee and do not recommend SAT subject tests anymore, their applications will take what I’m sure will be a huge jump. Mostly * Hail Mary* applications, but it will artificially bring the acceptance rate down and help with the rankings.
  • ticklemepinkticklemepink Registered User Posts: 2,764 Senior Member
    Absolutely true. I say bring on a Marxist revolution!!!! Then everybody can be happy! :D
  • TheDadTheDad Registered User, ! Posts: 10,225 Senior Member
    For my last final in my last class as a senior in college, they read out the questions to copy into our blue book. The first one was to compare Marx and Lenin. I said that Groucho's jokes were pretty good but some of John's lyrics were kinda week.
  • roadlesstraveledroadlesstraveled Registered User Posts: 1,146 Senior Member
    {{I say bring on a Marxist revolution!!!! Then everybody can be happy}}


    Only the peasants.. The bourgeois and upper-class could have a few issues.

    Hey, I wasn’t criticizing Colgate, just simply stating a reality. More power to the college if they can get enough applicants who are highly qualified and can still limit acceptances so 70% of their class pays full ride.

    Colgate is a for profit institution and is taking full advantage of capitalist principles.
    Colgate has a product that is in demand and they have decided to limit admission to those willing to pay full price. It’s the American way. :)
  • TheDadTheDad Registered User, ! Posts: 10,225 Senior Member
    Dammit. *cha/week/weak
  • roadlesstraveledroadlesstraveled Registered User Posts: 1,146 Senior Member
    Dammit. *cha/week/weak}}}

    Ok, that zinged over my head. Any chance of posting the message without the need of a special code or having read some bizzare book only required of a poly sci student?
  • TheDadTheDad Registered User, ! Posts: 10,225 Senior Member
    I couldn't edit my previous post when I absentmindedly typed "week" instead of "weak."

    *cha/week/weak/ is something like one of the UNIX editing commands. No, I'm not a programmer but I could play one on TV.
  • BJM8BJM8 Registered User Posts: 1,279 Senior Member
    Reminds me of Napoleon Solo. Am I showing my age?
  • TheDadTheDad Registered User, ! Posts: 10,225 Senior Member
    Napoleon Solo? Now there's a name I've not heard for a long time.

    Reminds me, at some point I need to watch my three Brit adventure series on DVD: episodes of "Secret Agent," "The Prisoner," and the Emma Peel epsiodes of "The Avengers." Yeah, I've got them aalllllllllllllllllllll. Mwu-hahahahhaha!

    Time is the enemy.
  • BJM8BJM8 Registered User Posts: 1,279 Senior Member
    OOOHHHHHH!!! Emma Peel! Gotta love Emma Peel! But then again, I loved Agent 99.
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