Berkeley tougher than Stanford?

Gamma57722
Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:16:14 +0000

Since you obviously have not mastered the forum’s ability to view previous posts, I’ll repost a prior statement I made that should end all equivocation on this subject:



Though it’s a bit old, an AEPE report states, “If residency status were not taken into consideration in the admission process, one could estimate from present patterns, even after taking into account of the smaller yield rates for non-resident freshmen admits, that perhaps about 18% of our student body would consist of non resident students.”

Source: http://academic-senate.berkeley.edu/committees/pdf/AEPE_report.pdf

Since the current proportion of non-residents in the student body hovers around 10 percent, and after taking in consideration the lower rate of enrollment for non-residents, it is roughly twice as difficult to be admitted as an out of state or international student. This assertion, albeit not entirely empirically rigorous, would suggest that out of state admissions are much more difficult than most people think. Additionally, as seen on Table 37 of the Moores Report (which, as some of you may know, caused quite a furor over UC Berkeley’s admission practices), accepted OOS students had an average GPA of 4.44 as opposed to the Californian 4.25. Also, OOS students had an approximate average SAT score of 1432, while residents had an approximate average SAT of 1325.

Source: http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/compreview/mooresreport.pdf

Though the data is a little dated and a few loose assumptions are made, it does certainly lay credence to Sakky’s argument (never thought I’d say that!).



Implementing the same methodology as was used to computed the average OOS Berkeley SAT - weighting by percentage and assuming SAT distribution within each of the 100 point spreads is symmetric - the Stanford common data set for 2005 yields an average SAT score of 1434.

Source: http://www.stanford.edu/home/statistics/

Hence, the difference between Berkeley OOS and Stanford (using the limited data provided by the UC system) reduces to a difference of two SAT points.