Conservative Campuses in the Norhteast

<p>I think these lists are silly, especially if the school is fairly large. For somebody to choose Princeton over Yale because it is more "conservative" would be nuts, in my opinion. Perhaps if you were torn between Sewanee and Reed, it might be helpful.</p>

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Now that would be an interesting person to meet. :)</p>

<p>Intellectual liberals are often very tolerant of people with opposing viewpoints. So going to a "liberal" college could just be a good chance to have lively debates.</p>

<p>I have found that those to the far left and those to the far right are the least tolerant of opposing viewpoints. I prefer talking/debating with people that are "left of center", center, and "right of center." When you get to the far ends of either spectrum, it can be a problem.</p>

<p>GaDad....he's not asking for a school like you've described. Be fair.</p>

<p>*My son was a Republican at Penn and found it to be OK. Wharton helps with that. *</p>

<p>So, will you change your screenname to MomofWildGOPartyChild. :)</p>

<p>Still trying to understand this college guide thing. Does a green light mean open to a conservative opinion....i.e. you can be conservative on this campus and find peers or does it mean the campus is conservative?</p>

<p>My very liberal son is a freshman at Princeton. Let me tell you that this is not a conservative student body. For instance, it was voted one of the most gay friendly campuses in the country. I would say however, that the full range of political views are present on campus so perhaps this is what the website is getting at.</p>

<p>The lights all seem very arbitrary and inconsistent to me. I think the sight is doing parents on both ends of the political spectrum a disservice.</p>

<p>Holy Cross is very conservative.</p>

<p>The green light means free speech student harassment of students is allowed; yellow means federal law restricting harassment must be followed (re posts #33 & 34).</p>

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Still trying to understand this college guide thing. Does a green light mean open to a conservative opinion....i.e. you can be conservative on this campus and find peers or does it mean the campus is conservative?

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<p>The green light on ISI's site means a conservative can go there and not be discriminated against because of their views. Yellow means caution - in some areas there may be discrimination. Red means they aren't likely to feel comfortable nor accepted and may be discriminated against in many areas.</p>

<p>Fire's site appears to be solely on absolute free speech.</p>

<p>The sites are different.</p>

<p>"*The green light on ISI's site means a conservative can go there and not be discriminated against because of their views. *"</p>

<p>It also means that there are no free speech or behavior limits (that FIRE deems significant) on conservatives' (since the site is directed toward conservatives) ability to verbally or sexually harass other students.</p>

<p>The ISI and FIRE sites do have different criteria, though they both use a red-yellow-green rating system.</p>

<p>As Creekland points out, FIRE seems to be interested mainly in free speech, in particular in issues raised by so-called "speech codes". The FIRE site points out that their staff spans the political spectrum from left to right. I think some conservatives might be uncomfortable with (or indifferent to) some of the FIRE positions. Should a college not have any authority to enforce standards of respectful speech on its campus? </p>

<p>The ISI site is more clearly conservative but its concerns are broader. Its FAQ page states,

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Intercollegiate Studies Institute is indeed devoted to preserving the founding principles of the United States. That means ordered liberty, representative government, a reverence for tradition, a piety toward the past, and a love for the civilization of the West.

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<p>They tend to focus a lot on curriculum structure. They like Core programs with required courses in American History and Western Civilization. They are not keen on the Open Curriculum model. They also address levels of tolerance toward conservative opinion. To their credit, they seem to be fairly generous in pointing out strengths even of the "red light" schools (such as Swarthmore, this week's featured school).</p>

<p>I like the Core Curriculum model, too, but keep in mind that under an Open Curriculum, you're generally free to study as many Dead White Males as you like.</p>

<p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but my belief is that ISI handles their lights solely based on politics and how comfortable a conservative will be there (plus any discrimination possibilities). Their text most definitely talks about curriculum, lifestyle and more and is well worth reading to consider "fit."</p>

<p>However, an Open Curriculum place like U of Rochester still gets a green light when it comes to politics - not because everyone there is conservative, but because a conservative shouldn't have "issues" there.</p>

<p>I could be wrong. I haven't extensively looked at the site - just schools my offspring have been interested in.</p>

<p>Fire's site is totally different and not at all helpful for my "needs."</p>

<p>Vossron-</p>

<p>I love how you cite reasons for editing your posts, but could you please explain why you felt the need to "add FIRE caveat, sexually"?
If there is a sexy way to add a caveat into an internet message board discussion, I'd love to see it.</p>

<p>lol !!! :) :) :)</p>

<p>^ Creekland, I think you're right. UR has an open curriculum and gets a green; Columbia has a Core and gets yellow.</p>

<p>Politics aside, I'd agree the reviews are well-written and cover some interesting ground. They offer useful descriptions from a clearly-stated perspective.</p>

<p>I continue to think that a student who is conservative on economic issues, but moderate or liberal on social issues, is not likely to be significantly discriminated against anywhere.</p>

<p>^^ That describes my son and he manages to hold his own anywhere.</p>

<p>@Hunt: try being afraid to state who you supported for president for fear your classmates and teachers would ridicule and insult you, try telling people you lean conservative and having them say "But you're smart!" and then get back to me on that.</p>

<p>I'm very liberal on social issues but conservative on fiscal and foreign policy matters, and have been discriminated against many, many times because of my conservative views. As a younger kid I was made to feel ashamed and like I was doing something wrong. One time, as my teacher gave a diatribe about how awful Republicans were, I was so inflamed and upset I actually had to walk out of the classroom. I've gotten more comfortable over time with expressing my beliefs, but I still don't tell people about my conservative viewpoints unless they are good friends and I trust them. If I told most people who are acquaintances about where I stand politically, they would judge me and view me more negatively.</p>

<p>I'm sorry that this is a little off-topic but I just wanted to clear up that misconception. I don't think someone who leans conservative should be made to feel his or her beliefs make him/her a bad person--but this is exactly the sort of attitude espoused by my environment growing up in very liberal areas of the country. And I think a lot of people don't realize this is an issue. A lot of right-wingers could stand to be a lot more tolerant. So could a lot of left-wingers.</p>

<p>^^ This is quite similar to other experiences I have heard about at various colleges from real life students. I will not support any colleges getting a red light with ISI (don't care about FIRE). Period. Fortunately, my boys don't mind making their first cut with that in mind. There are so many other equally as good schools out there in any category.</p>

<p>My boys may, indeed, change their views when they get in college. My views now differ from those I was brought up with. However, I don't want any change to be due to excessive peer (or prof) pressure. It does happen more often than many may like to believe. It wasn't until getting out of college and getting involved with owning a business and other experiences that I saw a whole different side of life as my parents are involved in academia and I grew up in an extremely liberal area.</p>

<p>I suppose I fit Churchill's quote mentioned earlier. My boys have at least had a more balanced beginning to their life (they've seen the business and my folks are still liberal). They don't need a high pressure one-sided college. There are other choices out there for us.</p>

<p>To each our own. I'm sure the far liberal places appeal to many just as the far conservative places seem to. Those of us more in the middle can enjoy our preferences too, but I'd support far conservative before I'd support far liberal.</p>

<p>Hmm, I probably should qualify that last post. The most religiously conservative school I've come across (Pensacola Christian College) is not one I would ever send my boys to. I suppose they would stay home and be uneducated if there were no other option between them and the far left schools.</p>

<p>However, schools like Hillsdale and Grove City I would need to look into more if any of my boys were interested (they aren't right now).</p>

<p>Lower level (academically) schools don't make the radar for us regardless of politics. I suppose PCC is easily eliminated with that group.</p>

<p>I'm sorry, but I'm not persuaded. I guess people who have minority views in any situation may feel this way, but that goes with the territory in a free society.</p>

<p>^^ Getting nit-picky here, but I don't think those of us with moderately conservative views are in the minority anymore - except in academia - and the vast majority I come into contact with feel the same way I do about higher education. Granted, compared to the nation, my associates form a small sample size, but based on trends statistically, I still don't think we're in the minority.</p>

<p>In the end, it's nice that there are a variety of schools to choose from. That way there's something for everyone from far left to far right.</p>