Does race really matter?

<p>Hi! So I'm half black/white. Well, my white half is Russian and I used to live there and I speak Russian and everything. My Asian friend tells me I have a really good chance at getting into good schools like Cornell, maybe even Harvard because I get good grades (top 5%) and SAT scores and can identify as a minority. Say, for example, me and her have basically the same application except I identify as black and she, as Asian. Would our races make a difference?</p>

<p>BIGGG topic. Yes, being Hispanic, African-American, or Native American gives you a clear advantage over the equally competent Asian or Caucasian. Check the top thread on College Admissions for more.</p>

<p>Do you think adcoms are racists?</p>

<p>isk82live: do you think that a private institution that wants to bring diversity to its population is acting in a racist way? The US Supreme court doesn't.</p>

<p>There was a yahoo article that appeared a few weeks ago about how half-asians checked the "white" race box because it gave them a better chance of admission. One of the statistics I remember is that while most Ivy Leagues are 20% Asian, UC Berkley, which by law can't look at race for college admission, is 40% Asian (you may want to fact-check me on that). So yes, race does matter, and it's generally stacked against Asians/Indians but beneficial for URM's.</p>

<p>Yes, in a 180 from Dr. King's dream, the amount of melanin in your skin makes colleges treat you differently from others with different amounts of melanin in their skin.</p>

<p>cheerioswithmilk: I read that article too! And I think UC Berkeley is near 50% Asian now, because if you have above avg grades and test scores they HAVE to admit you. Even if they reject you, you can appeal and if someone from your school with worse grades and scores got in, UC will have to let you in.
And yes, race is a huge deal! Use it to your advantage, it gives you a boost in the admissions process.
You'll be more likely to get into top tier schools than Asians and Caucasians, that's fosho.
(I hope no one is offended. Some people are slightly sensitive about this topic and I do hope that I have not unintentionally said something rude or insulting)</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>So it's like a BIG deal? Not just minor?</p>

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One of the statistics I remember is that while most Ivy Leagues are 20% Asian, UC Berkley, which by law can't look at race for college admission, is 40% Asian (you may want to fact-check me on that). So yes, race does matter

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<p>That conclusion does not logically follow.</p>

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Do you think adcoms are racists?

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<p>Only insofar as they can be said to discriminate based on race, which is not what most people mean when they use the word.</p>

<p>"You'll be more likely to get into top tier schools than Asians and Caucasians, that's fosho."</p>

<p>And that is why under represented minorities are underrepresented! Oh, wait......</p>

<p>I think what cheerioswithmilk meant is that since Asians are usually in really good academic standings and everything they are usually good candidates to good colleges. However, the colleges (not UC Berkley) are forced to "discriminate" and admit students of other races, who may not be at that high level and are only admitted because they are a minority (black, Hispanic, etc.) So a college with a high Asian percentage does not look at race, but only at grades, test scores, etc. Sorry if this was super stereotypical haha...</p>

<p>"Do you think adcoms are racists?"
No!</p>

<p>"So it's like a BIG deal? Not just minor?"
Yes!</p>

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I think what cheerioswithmilk meant is that since Asians are usually in really good academic standings and everything they are usually good candidates to good colleges. However, the colleges (not UC Berkley) are forced to "discriminate" and admit students of other races, who may not be at that high level and are only admitted because they are a minority (black, Hispanic, etc.) So a college with a high Asian percentage does not look at race, but only at grades, test scores, etc. Sorry if this was super stereotypical haha...

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<p>My point was that the validity of the conclusion he or she drew from that comparison was contingent upon the schools having same-demographic applicant pools; this condition is false. I would also quibble with your contention that any student is admitted solely because of his or her race: All applicants, regardless of race, are admitted only if they are found to be academically qualified, which is reflected in these colleges' high graduation rates.</p>

<p>Okay, I mean I have no idea. I was saying what I thought the other poster meant. But I was the one who was asking the question in the first place, so you could be right .</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/1253171-official-harvard-university-2016-early-action-decisions-thread.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/1253171-official-harvard-university-2016-early-action-decisions-thread.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/princeton-university/1256531-official-princeton-university-class-2016-results.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/princeton-university/1256531-official-princeton-university-class-2016-results.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/yale-university/1253634-official-yale-class-2016-scea-results-thread.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/yale-university/1253634-official-yale-class-2016-scea-results-thread.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/stanford-university/1251082-official-stanford-rea-decisions-class-2016-a.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/stanford-university/1251082-official-stanford-rea-decisions-class-2016-a.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>OP, you be the judge!</p>

<p>If you are asking me, I say read the big race threads, versions one through nine and counting.</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1228264-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-9-a.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1228264-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-9-a.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I am saying if a black baby, a white baby, and an Asian baby are together in a newborn nursery, the black baby's chance of garduating HS, going to college, and surviving young adulthood are greatly reduced. But if you DO, you have already beat some odds, and if you are applying to top schools, you are one of a very small group indeed. That small group that supposedly posts on CC. </p>

<p>And WITH those odds, are the odds that you won't need a pell grant. So now, you may be more likely to get into SOME schools.</p>

<p>Not VERY likely, but maybe MORE likely.</p>

<p>Let me qualify the above statements by saying this- college diversity hurts asians for a reason! </p>

<p>At my school, the only main extracurricular many of the high-achieving asians can list is varsity tennis and/or honors orchestra (if anything at all! it seems all they do is study). You think you're standing out among the other high score, violin playing asians? Not a chance! "Oh GEEZ, where have I seen this applicant before?"</p>

<p>If your asian friend does unique things like she is a sportswriter or wrestles, then I don't think she's at a disadvantage. In fact, it may even give her a bit of a leg up, because it's these people who do things that make an admissions officer take notice that get in, not the 6000th 2250 SAT, asian tennis player they've seen. (Sorry that I'm bashing on tennis/violin).</p>

<p>"I am saying if a black baby, a white baby, and an Asian baby are together in a newborn nursery, the black baby's chance of garduating HS, going to college, and surviving young adulthood are greatly reduced. But if you DO, you have already beat some odds, and if you are applying to top schools, you are one of a very small group indeed. That small group that supposedly posts on CC."</p>

<p>Shrinkrap, I agree with you.
However, it is NOT what OP is asking.</p>

<p>I've been reading the results thread for Yale and haven't seen a single black person on there...haha. And if I'm half white/black, I can still be considered black right?</p>

<p>BTW, this thread will be closed soon.</p>