Duke 2014 Hopeful

frenchhorngirl
Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:09:40 +0000

@ slik nik: “Regarding the U.S. News and World Report rankings, Stanford is ranked #4, whereas Duke is ranked #8. Again, this does not mean that Stanford is better than Duke because the difference is negligible”
– again, I never said that Stanford was only better than Duke because of rankings, there are other reasons which I have previously stated a million times and do not feel like restating myself.
“Maybe to you Duke is Tier 2, but the general public will consider otherwise.”
– another empty statement. Where is the evidence? I have already shown much evidence with the new York times cross admit statistics, where 92% of the general public chose Stanford over Duke.
“I strongly believe that Duke is in the same league as Stanford.”
– and your opinion matters because…?
“The academic quality/rigor, quality of teaching, and the quality of life (although the weather will be better at Stanford, I’ll give you that) are basically the same at both universities.”
– in THE PRINCETON REVIEW’s “The Best 368 Colleges” book (which I might add is considered the best and most reliable college handbook in the country, so don’t even try to argue that my sources aren’t reliable. It’s THE PRINCEON REVIEW). It says the following: quality of life. Stanford 98, Duke 75 – that’s a difference of 23 points – that is HUGE. Even if we consider room for error, Stanford would STILL beat Duke in quality of life. Boom. you’re statement that both universities have the same quality of life just got beat down bad. Next, you say academic quality. Lets see, academic rating (which includes quality and quality of teaching) for Stanford is 99, Duke’s is 92 – Stanford wins again. What next you say? Oh, the weather is better at Stanford, okay. Oh, and what again? I remember you admitting that Stanford also has a better name and more prestige, although I AGREE that this does not mean Stanford is better JUST BECAUSE of prestige. HOWEVER, all of this data gathered from many, many of the world’s most reliable sources all clearly have shown that Stanford beats Duke in all the important aspects to a college. So there it is, Stanford beats Duke in aspects not just of prestige.
“you cannot argue that Stanford is better than Duke; they are just way too similar in all the qualities that make up a great university.”
– I believe I just have, and I just have shown how they are not “way too similar in all the qualities that make up a great university,” as one of the qualities, quality of life, Stanford beats Duke by 20 points. And do NOT even try to argue that The Princeton Review is not a reliable and acknowledged source. That’s like saying the new York times and USNews are not reliable.

cdz512 : “Your statement was that people who get rejected from Stanford don’t show interest or potential, I said no and I gave you an example”
– never have I stated that “people who get rejected from Stanford don’t show interest or potential.” I actually said almost the exact opposite, that Stanford does not take demonstrated interest into account. Your example was worthless because it just supported my argument that Stanford does not take demonstrated interest into account. Learn to read better.
“why would I apologize to you?”
– for wasting my time

“Hmm isn’t your so called “statistics” opinions? From like 3,200 people.”
– um, my statistics from The New York Times, The Princeton Review, and USNews, which I might add are very reliable sources, were used in support of my argument that Stanford is a school much more desired than Duke, and because they are so much more desired, they have a large competitive applicant pool, which leads to higher caliber students, which leads to a much smaller acceptance rate, which leads to a higher yield, thus NO NEED for demonstrated interest. MY POINT IS THIS. All of the statistics I have been using are used to support my argument, and the fact that some statistics I have used ARE sometimes other people’s opinions GOES ALONG with my argument that desirability, which is an OPINIONATED subject, leads to NO NEED for DEMONSTRATED INTEREST. You, on the other hand, are using one person, the dean of Stanford’s, opinion as if that is going to prove anything. Again, why does the Dean of Stanford’s opinion matter over anyone else’s opinion? You need to find numbers of larger groups of people to support your argument. As far as I know, statistically speaking, 3,200 people’s opinions are far more accurate than one person, “the dean of stanford’s”, opinion.

“I’m overrated? I have not even said anything about myself and my personal credentials. How do you know I’m “overrated”?”
– I meant to say “overrated like you DO.” As you, or slik nik (I keep mixing you two up), has stated before, “Although I bet Stanford is phenomenal as well, I feel it is overrated, along with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT. There are so many excellent institutions out there, like Duke (which I also feel is somewhat overrated, but not as much)”

“Again work on finding key words in a sentence, because I quoted “tremendous in caliber” many times hoping you would understand that tremendous is a error in the sentence, which it is since ACT/SAT proves the tremendous caliber just isn’t tremendous.”
– and I’m saying for the hundredth time that ACT/SAT does NOT prove the caliber of a student body, because there are other things to take into account, like passions, talents, interests, etc… Oh, and even if Stanford’s student body is not “tremendously” better than Duke’s, you still can’t argue that Duke is better. find a few reason’s Duke is better. I have already shown many reasons why stanford’s better – quality of life, academics, prestige, student body, weather. Yeah, find a few for Duke please because all you or slik nik has been saying is, “they are the sameeee goshh you can’t compare they’re like equalll, but I still think Duke is better! you know why? Cuz mah friend did this and mah friend did that and oh yeah, the dean of Stanford said blah blah.” Find some facts because I ain’t buying these stories about your friends.

“My argument has always and is always going to be about Duke and Stanford is at equal level, there is simply no way to say that Stanford is superior or inferior to Duke.”
– yeah and um, I killed that argument a few paragraphs up when I showed how Stanford beats Duke in all the important aspects of college. Yeah sorry, but I think The Princeton Review is a pretty reliable source.

“my argument is that you (frenchhorngirl) should not go around telling people who obvious interested in one school to go apply to another school that the OP wasn’t as interested.”
– again, you are putting words into my mouth. My first comment was a compliment, I even said it was a compliment in my second post, and the OP even said he didn’t mind. But then you took the compliment way too seriously and started arguing with me. “forget Duke, apply to Stanford!” was an expression for, “wow you’re stats are really good!” I was not actually ordering him not to apply to Duke. I thought I made this clear when I said, “yes that was a compliment.” Again, learn to read better.

“we both agree that college is a fit, not always go to one that is more prestigious (if one think a prestigious school is his/her fit, then go I have nothing against that)”
– I NEVER said college is not a fit, and I never said it was a prize. I also have said OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again that prestige does NOT mean a school is better. See? You keep putting words into my mouth over and over again. What I said is that prestige is ONE OF THE FACTORS (the others were quality of life, academics, weather, student body, etc…), that makes Stanford better than Duke. I NEVER said it was the only factor. In fact, I have said multiple times that prestige is not the reason why a school is better than another school, so stop putting words into my mouth.

“I find it funny how you shut your mouth about Duke and their “demonstrated interest” usage.”
– I find it funny how you can’t read. Just in my last post I talked about Duke and Demonstrated interest. Again, learn to read better.

“I am sorry about this.”
– I accept your apology. haha just kidding. not really.

“I hope frenchhorngirl will learn to not try to persuade other people who are interested in a college to go to another college.”
– again, I WAS COMPLIMENTING HIM, NOT TRYING TO CONTROL HIM. As this is what I said, “yes it was a compliment.” See? “yes it was a compliment” does not mean “no I was actually trying to order him to not apply to duke,” as you took it.

To the OP: I had NO IDEA my compliment would have gone this far. You have great stats and I’m sure you will make it into Duke. And I hope cdz512 will learn to read better and not take other people’s compliments in the wrong way.