Duke 2014 Hopeful

frenchhorngirl
Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:41:26 +0000

wow cdz512: you are so wrong

“My response with the SAT/ACT and GPA was in response to this: “You are making it sound like that the student body is of tremendous higher caliber at a place like Stanford versus a place like Duke, and that is simply not true.””
– you just keep contradicting yourself. you want to show that the caliber of the student body at Duke and Stanford are not much different by posting the SAT/ACT statistics of both schools, and then you go on to agree with my earlier statements that SAT/ACT is not all that determines the caliber of a student body. stop contradicting yourself.

"And I would certainly not trust that Stanford’s students have better life experience than Duke because how do you know that? "
– when did i ever say that Stanford students have a better life experience? i just said that because of the extremely competitive admissions rate, the consequence is that OVERALL, the Stanford student body is of higher caliber than Duke’s

“Phahaha I think somebody needs to look over their statistics. “The data are ESTIMATES, based on a statistical model that in turn was based on a survey of 3,200 high school seniors at 500 schools across the country””
– at least i HAVE statistics that actually support my argument. all you ever do is say, “my friend did this, my friend did that, oh and my other friend did blah blah and got into harvard! and this other random person i know (oh, this is a true story by the way), got into Stanford but not Duke. oh yeah and there’s this other guy i knew who…” are you serious? please, do not act like my statistics are flawed when you are the one who is acting like stories from a FEW of your friends represents all of america.

“I would also like to turn this table on you. Here is another true example. This year, this girl applied to SCEA (Single Choice Early Action), if that doesn’t demonstrate interest, then I don’t know what will. She got rejected, what is she now? A Yalie, yes she got accepted to Yale regular choice and rejected at Stanford early action. Lets look again, oh wait Yale has a smaller acceptance percent and number of students than Stanford. Hmmm lets look at that, so she got rejected at Stanford SCEA and accepted at Yale RD, I would say she didn’t demonstrate interest, psh yeah right. You can’t say she was over qualified can you, because according to ranking (because it will be easier for you to understand) Yale is only 2 places ahead Stanford. Oh and according to you she would not have demonstrated interest. Wrong”

– okay wow, i think you REALLY missed the point here, and your argument is so bad its really funny. First of all, demonstrated interest is NOT the only factor, as I have said before. 5,363 students applied to Stanford early, all demonstrating interest. 5,363!!! 5,363!!! of COURSE Stanford is not going to accept all of them. you’re friend demonstrated interest just like all the other 5,362 applicants! Stanford is not going to accept your friend who applied early just because she applied early. You need to understand this: What I was saying before was just that demonstrated interest is a POSSIBLE REASON as to why your friend got into MIT/Stanford and not Duke, as you were making it sound like Duke was better because she got rejected from Duke and not MIT/Stanford. The thing is, SOOOOO many people want to go to Stanford, and stanford can’t accept all 5,363 of the early applicants who show interest, so they pick the BEST ones. Also, remember this: Stanford is on the same level as HYPSM, so they aren’t afraid of rejecting people who show demonstrated interest. SO many people want to go to Stanford, demonstrated interest doesn’t matter to them. Stanford has SUCH A HIGH YIELD ALREADY that it doesn’t need to worry about demonstrated interest, whereas Duke does NOT have a very high yield, so it DOES worry about demonstrated interest. Duke doesn’t want to accept a bunch of overqualified students who are going to choose HYPSM anyway. It’s all part of the college application process, if only you understood.

“Oh and according to you she would not have demonstrated interest. Wrong”
What the heck are you talking about? when have I ever talked about this person, and when have I ever said that she would not have demonstrated interest? Stop putting words into my mouth.

“I think the last thing college care about is their ranking.”

ha. you’d be surprised. colleges care VERY much.

“There is also a reason why there is something called waitlisting.”

again, this proves to me how little you have done your research. Yes, there is a reason for waitlisting, but it is not what your explanation is. Okay, here’s an example. Why does WashU waitlist so many of its applicants? because it only accepts the students that they THINK will attend based on demonstrated interest, BECAUSE WASHU KNOWS THAT THE MAJORITY OF STUDENTS WOULD CHOOSE HYPSM OVER THEM IF THEY HAD A CHOICE, and they don’t want to accept EVERYONE who is qualified because then they’re yield would be low! do you still not get it! its so obvious! And remember this: Don’t compare this concept of demonstrated interest to Stanford! It just doesn’t work that way! why? BECAUSE STANFORD KNOWS THAT THE MAJORITY OF STUDENTS WOULD CHOOSE IT OVER SCHOOLS LIKE DUKE AND WASHU. I’m sorry if it hurts your feelings and crushes your ego about Duke but its true. you’re silly stories have no argument, they just support everything i’ve been saying this entire time!

the point is. places like Duke and WashU want to INCREASE their yield, which is why demonstrated interest is so important for them – it’s the only way to separate highly competitive students who have almost exactly the same stats from each other. Demonstrated interest is not shown just through applying early decision/action, but also through your essays. ANDDDD —> because schools like HYPSM already have such a high yield, they do not care about demonstrated interest as much as just accepted the very best students. so, sorry to break it to you, but your story about your friend or whatever getting rejected from stanford but getting into yale just supports my argument further.