Duke 2014 Hopeful

cdz512
Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:16:40 +0000

My number one concern is the OP, I wonder how he feels about a debate that has gone so off topics. I want to first apologize to the OP.

hahahahhahahahhahhahahahaahhaa. thats funny. if they don’t care about rankings, then how come when i searched WashU and went on their website, i found the following passage:

Wow, somebody needs to learn the world of business. It seems like ranking has become a new religion for you. When you have a positive feedback from any source, in the world of business, it’s always good to emphasize that feedback to increase your business. In this case, the “business” is the number of application. When you are “ranked” up there, it is best to put it out to the world because it would “look” more attractive and “attract” more people to apply –> more application fee.

– okay wow, i think you REALLY missed the point here, and your argument is so bad its really funny. First of all, demonstrated interest is NOT the only factor, as I have said before. 5,363 students applied to Stanford early, all demonstrating interest. 5,363!!! 5,363!!! of COURSE Stanford is not going to accept all of them. you’re friend demonstrated interest just like all the other 5,362 applicants! Stanford is not going to accept your friend who applied early just because she applied early. You need to understand this: What I was saying before was just that demonstrated interest is a POSSIBLE REASON as to why your friend got into MIT/Stanford and not Duke, as you were making it sound like Duke was better because she got rejected from Duke and not MIT/Stanford. The thing is, SOOOOO many people want to go to Stanford, and stanford can’t accept all 5,363 of the early applicants who show interest, so they pick the BEST ones. Also, remember this: Stanford is on the same level as HYPSM, so they aren’t afraid of rejecting people who show demonstrated interest. SO many people want to go to Stanford, demonstrated interest doesn’t matter to them. Stanford has SUCH A HIGH YIELD ALREADY that it doesn’t need to worry about demonstrated interest, whereas Duke does NOT have a very high yield, so it DOES worry about demonstrated interest. Duke doesn’t want to accept a bunch of overqualified students who are going to choose HYPSM anyway. It’s all part of the college application process, if only you understood.

First off, no where in my posts did I say “my friend” got rejected from Duke and entered MIT. Number two, like slik nik said not all schools care about demonstrated interest. Duke’s and Stanford’s essays doesn’t pinpoint who is interested because they know everyone who apply is interested (hence the fact that even if you are apply as a backup, it still means your interested). If you did your research (which your research was a statistical underrepresented and misleading chart) you would learn that Duke says: “Although we are glad that you may have visited our campus or asked us questions about the school, demonstrated interest is not an advantage in the admissions process.”
https://www.admissions.duke.edu/faq/index9ffc.html?iQuestionID=519%20&iCategoryID=1

What the heck are you talking about? when have I ever talked about this person, and when have I ever said that she would not have demonstrated interest? Stop putting words into my mouth.

I was not putting words into your mouth for your information. I responded to this: “They could have just rejected your friend because he/she didn’t show much interest or seemed qualified enough to go to a better school.” Self explanatory.

– at least i HAVE statistics that actually support my argument. all you ever do is say, “my friend did this, my friend did that, oh and my other friend did blah blah and got into harvard! and this other random person i know (oh, this is a true story by the way), got into Stanford but not Duke. oh yeah and there’s this other guy i knew who…” are you serious? please, do not act like my statistics are flawed when you are the one who is acting like stories from a FEW of your friends represents all of america.

Did I ever say the represent all of America? no I was simply showing you examples that when you say, “Stanford denies people who doesn’t show interest or seems qualified”. And when you said people who got into HYPSM are going to go there. Also I hoped you learned this in statistics, when you take a sampling, I highly doubt taking a sample size 100 times smaller than the whole is going to produce accurate results. Simple to say, your relying on statistics that is underrepresented. How is misleading statistics going to be good statistics.
I hope you know that my “research” came directly from accurate sites that are reliable. In the case of your “research” and “statistics” your statistics is one that has misrepresented the whole. I find it funny that you are telling me to “research” when one of your first statement was that Duke is a tier 2 school.

– you just keep contradicting yourself. you want to show that the caliber of the student body at Duke and Stanford are not much different by posting the SAT/ACT statistics of both schools, and then you go on to agree with my earlier statements that SAT/ACT is not all that determines the caliber of a student body. stop contradicting yourself.
i just said that because of the extremely competitive admissions rate, the consequence is that OVERALL, the Stanford student body is of higher caliber than Duke’s

How is that contradicting? they are two different things: ACT/SAT GPA stats of the current undergrads and then the admissions process. Simple to say, I proved that Stanford’s students “caliber” isn’t significantly better than Duke. And then I turned to admissions, and said what is universally accepted, that SAT/ACT doesn’t matter in admissions. I first proved the caliber statement in which you ask how do we know that Stanford’s isn’t tremendously better than Duke’s. And then I made a statement about admissions. It doesn’t contradict, nice try, because that “tremendously higher in caliber” was proved wrong.

I simply don’t feel like wasting my time arguing with a person who extremely worships the rankings and adorns numbers. Simple to say, you actually need to work on learning the facts about college ranking and its full accuracy because I highly doubt UMich is any lower than Brown especially when Brown is known little for any of its undergrad programs and UM is known for Ross Business School and School of Engineering. I am simply going to say what the former president of Stanford said: “these rankings-particularly their specious formulas and spurious precision-is utterly misleading.”
Arguing with a person who loves the ranking book and probably has all of them just isn’t worth my time. And NO Stanford isn’t much better than Duke, they are equal, not one is superior over the other and college is not a prize (which you make it seem), college is a match. Allow the OP to go to Duke where he dreams of going, he believes Duke is a fit. You can go apply to Stanford, I won’t stop you but just don’t try to make other people apply to places they weren’t interested in. I will stop commenting because I want the OP to have his thread back, the thread where he asks if he can get into Duke and I believe if he wants to go to Duke, then he should try his work hard on his essays and make sure his grades stay up and simply send the application and wait for the results. This debate has gone way off topic from the OP’s original post and again, I apologize for my posts.