Duke 2014 Hopeful

frenchhorngirl
Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:08:14 +0000

cdz512: i believe you said this.
“Oh just to let you know there are people who get rejected from Duke that get into MIT and Stanford.”
– maybe it isn’t your “friend,” but you still implied the same thing that because people get rejected from Duke and get into MIT/Stanford, that Duke is better, which is not true. and I was just using demonstrated interest and yield as a POSSIBLE REASON as to why people might get into MIT/Stanford and not Duke. duh.

“When you are “ranked” up there, it is best to put it out to the world because it would “look” more attractive and “attract” more people to apply –> more application fee.”
– this is exactly WHY colleges care about their ranking. thanks for supporting my argument again.

“I was not putting words into your mouth for your information. I responded to this: “They could have just rejected your friend because he/she didn’t show much interest or seemed qualified enough to go to a better school.” Self explanatory.”
– when I made that comment, I was talking about a DIFFERENT person – the ones who get rejected from Duke and get into MIT/Stanford. YOU were talking about your friend who got into Yale but rejected from Stanford SCEA, which is not the same person I was talking about, so you WERE putting words into my mouth. This is what you said: “Hmmm lets look at that, so she got rejected at Stanford SCEA and accepted at Yale RD, I would say she didn’t demonstrate interest, psh yeah right. You can’t say she was over qualified can you, because according to ranking (because it will be easier for you to understand) Yale is only 2 places ahead Stanford. Oh and according to you she would not have demonstrated interest.” – see that? When I said, “They could have just rejected your friend because he/she didn’t show much interest or seemed qualified enough to go to a better school,” I was talking about the person who got rejected from Duke but got into MIT/Stanford, NOT the person who got rejected from Stanford but got into Yale. So for YOUR information, you WERE putting words into my mouth. I think its pretty self explanatory. And by the way, that argument about your friend getting into Yale but not into Stanford was already killed by my explanation of how demonstrated interest does not apply to schools like HYPSM, so just drop it.

“when you take a sampling, I highly doubt taking a sample size 100 times smaller than the whole is going to produce accurate results.”
– at least its better than taking a sampling from a couple friends to make a sampling size that’s 200 million times smaller than the whole
“Simple to say, your relying on statistics that is underrepresented.”
– oh, that must mean that you’re relying on statistics that are REALLY underrepresented. Around 200 million times underrepresented to be a little more precise.
“How is misleading statistics going to be good statistics.”
– that is a VERY good question for you.
“I hope you know that my “research” came directly from accurate sites that are reliable.”
– wow, are you serious? My sources have been The New York Times and USNews, which are two of the most reliable sources in the country. please don’t even try to argue that The New York Times and USNews are not accurate and reliable sites.
“I find it funny that you are telling me to “research” when one of your first statement was that Duke is a tier 2 school.”
– first of all, I told you to research because you had no idea how important of a concept yield is to these top schools that are not HYPSM. Secondly, in the context of the top 50 schools, HYPSM is tier 1 and Duke is tier 2. Sorry to break it to you, but Duke and HYPSM are on different levels.
“I proved that Stanford’s students “caliber” isn’t significantly better than Duke.”
– um, no you didn’t. all you proved was that the SAT/ACT stats were similar. I see that you STILL don’t get the point. SAT/ACT stats do NOT show the caliber of a student body – there’s so much that goes beyond just grades and scores. There’s passion, talents, interests, accomplishments, etc…not just scores that show how great a student body is. If scores were the only thing that mattered, people with perfect SATs and ACTs would be automatically accepted to elite colleges, and that is just not true.
“I simply don’t feel like wasting my time arguing with a person who extremely worships the rankings and adorns numbers.”
– first of all, I do not “extremely worship” rankings, I just don’t think they are extremely overrated like you. And second of all, I don’t adorn numbers, I use them as support against all of your arguments because frankly, facts are much stronger than saying, “well my friend did this and my friend did that.” So to turn the table on you, I simply don’t feel like wasting MY time arguing with a person who thinks all statistics, numbers, and rankings are extremely overrated and who never uses any factual based evidence to support himself.
“I am simply going to say what the former president of Stanford said: “these rankings-particularly their specious formulas and spurious precision-is utterly misleading.””
– again, why do I care what the president of Stanford says? To me, he just sounds like he’s mad his school isn’t ranked number one. Again, you need to learn to argue better by using some facts and not other people’s opinions.
“I apologize for my posts.”
– I accept your apology.