Future of Emory University's Ranking?

bernie12
Sun, 03 Feb 2019 07:14:42 +0000

@merc81 : I honestly that is a very strong ranking range considering it is one the few private schools that truly takes a “risk” (you do likely, risk retention and graduation rate to some extent, and may have to be less stats based in admissions) on having a decent threshold of particularly low income students (and stretching the hell out of its resources to do so). The fact that it can have those ranks and ultimately perform like schools some ranking ahead is revealing to me and should be to others. Folks just need to learn how to not conflate the rank with progress/performance (as they are very input heavy, even the metrics that seem unrelated to inputs may be indirectly related). The metrics are what they are. On some older metrics, Emory was higher (perhaps much higher), on the current ones it is lower. But I’d definitely rather be at Emory in the current era (late 2000s and 2010s) than back in say the 90s or something when the metrics allowed it to be number 9. I’m not actually convinced that Emory back then was as similar in academic (especially in terms of research…undergrad. Somewhat debatable, but there are definitely more programs that are really strong now and a lot of innovation happening not happening at some other places) caliber to its current “near peers” which I basically take as the 12-30 group and maybe lower. It is much more similar as a research and academic powerhouse now than then.

The only things that diverged some were admissions related metrics I think (increasing yield and decreasing the admit rate via getting similar application volume and buy-in as peers has been hard, but it must be questioned if this should be a very important end versus educating well. The SAT/ACT range lagged for quite a while, but the new SAT results in convergence of SAT scores between all elites, and the ACT range remains a little lower than some peers as would be expected I guess). I have a feeling that these also correlate with the peer rankings because admins and whoever at peers probably rarely know but so much about the intimate details of a school. They may be able to see its momentum and overlap with their own school in the admissions arena (and based on other USNWR metrics) in addition to each schools media/PR presence and messaging/marketing and research infrastructure/prowess. In such a case, I imagine it is hard for Emory to move up without a bunch of things happening that affect the admissions (it may have to abandon its current model for example) or something miraculous happening and a bunch of faculty winning Nobel Prizes soon (which is often irrelevant to UG education, but again is something a peers admins and faculty may pay more attention to) lol. Nonetheless, the current model works in terms of keeping up in meaningful areas, so I don’t know what they have planned (if anything) to deal with the ranking.