I'm doomed...just learned that

<p>I wanted to apply ED to Penn (CAS). I just found out that the number one kid at my school (although my school doesn't rank, we all know he is a genius with amazing extracurriculars at the regional level) is applyinng ED to Huntsman. He is a legacy and a URM to boot! There is not doubt he is getting in. I know of two other legacies at my school (not URM's) who have done better than I have in that they have taken more AP's and have gone further in math than I have (the also have higher GPA's and higher test scores).
I took 3 AP's in junior year, and have 3 in senior year. My GPA is only 3.6 and my SAT scores are smack in the middle of Penn's mid-range. I am only taking AB Calculus (whereas the other's applying to Penn completed BC Calc in junior year and are now taking math beyond BC Calc.). I am also of Hispanic heritage.
Should I even bother applying? I fell as if I have no chance.
Thanks</p>

<p>Well, if that's your reasoning for not applying, I think you're better off not going because you lack the ability to think logically that is required.</p>

<p>Of course him being from the same school will hurt you a little, but it won't drastically hurt your chances.</p>

<p>You only have no chance if you don't apply</p>

<p>i would still apply for sure, maybe just not ED...use your ED somewhere else thats really selective and if you dont get in, apply RD to Penn...that way, you might not even be in the same pool as those other guys.</p>

<p>just remember, whereever you apply, you are bound to block the entrance of someone that is academically below you. It's one vicious throat-slitting cycle. think about it.</p>

<p>This is an absurd thread and I have no idea what mengcheng is talking about. The poor OP is simply misguided...let's not be mean, ok?
The fact of the matter is, there are no quotas for schools. Meaning Penn can admit all of those students from your school if they feel that that many are qualified. I know of one school where 15 students in a class of 200 were accepted to Penn.
The only way that the other applicants from your school could hurt your chances is this: if they've done a whole lot more than you at the school, that shows that you haven't fully taken advantage of your school's offerings. The higher GPAs show that you haven't done as well at your school as you possibly could have. So basically, the other applicants are providing a fuller picture of your school, making you look bad. They're not directly competing with you, but they can still lower your chances by showing that you're not as good as you could have been considering the opportunities you had.</p>

<p>oh im sorry, i didn't know we werent' allowed to talk in metaphors on this thread. All we do here is just give percentages to every chances thread posted???</p>

<p>and if i were to use the unholy metaphor again, to say that dulce applying behind this huntsman app is comparable to a kid with a 1400 applying to harvard, please dont shoot and crucify me. but that is the basic comparison. theres always the chance they get in, but in the end, wherever dulce gets in, he/she is going to end up blockin admission for another human being that has worse stats than dulce. thus continuing the woeful cycle of "that kid beat me in." thus there is no reason for dulce to think too deep into this. </p>

<p>the rest of you can mollify.</p>

<p>I second what Meng just said.</p>

<p>sweet, i have a following</p>

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<li><p>you never know if you don't apply</p></li>
<li><p>as far as the #1 kid applying to huntsman...this kid is likely to be deferred. They state a disclaimer sort of thing that if you are applying to one of the dual degree programs you are most likely going to be deferred to RD due to the competitiveness of the program. Not to say that this kid won't get in RD, because who knows, he/she probably will, but from what I have read/seen/heard, it is uncommon for people to get into the dual degree programs ED</p></li>
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**"They"

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** being whom?</p>

<p>He is a GENIUS and I am not.</p>

<p>You need to focus on what you have to offer and forget about these other classmates. Prepare your own application and submit to the program of your dreams. You have worked hard up until now and getting some confidence will make your essays much better. Apply and see if you all get into Penn. Best of luck to you. Focus on the good things you have to offer.</p>

<p>Isn't there a women's Luna Bar that is "Dulce de Leche" flavored?</p>

<p>apply. you still have a better shot ED. You're competing against the other 20,000 applicants, not just those few.</p>

<p>Hey... Hunstman apps go to a different pool with a different committee.... your application will NOT be read by the same committee.. so dont worry!</p>

<p>"this kid is likely to be deferred"
Uhm... you can still sign the ED-binding stuff.. so that if you get "rejected" from the dual degree program, or instead of being deferred to the RD pool... you can still be considered for a single school under ED..</p>

<p>^^^^ I can't believe it took 2 pages for someone to actually say something intelligent.</p>

<p>Ty bernard! Every school has its own pool so you are seperated from the Huntsman kids (well, at least until they defer him to another pool).</p>

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apply. you still have a better shot ED. You're competing against the other 20,000 applicants, not just those few.

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<p>20,000 applications for Hunstsman?????????</p>

<p>Elessar:</p>

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kid applying to huntsman...this kid is likely to be deferred. They state a disclaimer sort of thing that if you are applying to one of the dual degree programs you are most likely going to be deferred to RD due to the competitiveness of the program.

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<p>Where U. Penn state that on their website</p>

<p>affirmative action.</p>