Lie, Cheat, Steal: High School ethics surveyed

asfh09
Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:56:13 +0000

I think the problem with our society is we don’t value knowledge or just learning for the sake of learning. It’s all about your grades, gpa, and test scores. What about what books you’ve read and what’s going on in the world?

This doesn’t really have to do with cheating, but I just had to say that I really strongly agree with this.



What do you want ashfg09? A pat on the back because you never have cheated? Okay, congrats. You want to believe that you are better than me because you have helped society more? Sure, have some pie.

Haha. If you don’t know what I want [regarding cheating] by my… 10th or so post on this board, then maybe you’ve been missing something.
I didn’t say that I’ve helped society more than you. All I said was that you cheating on high school tests DOESN’T help drive society. You can correct me if you think I’m wrong. If you think you can do a good job of arguing that point and maybe putting some more words in my mouth, go ahead. I’d love to hear it.

Interesting that you said that you don’t cheat, yet you condone cheating. I think I’m the opposite. I have cheated in the past, albeit maybe 3 times at most, but I fully believe that it’s wrong. Do I get that it will get you ahead in life? Yeah, I do, so you don’t need to reiterate that same point again. Do I get that cheaters often win? Yes, I do, and it seems like that same argument keeps coming up. Cheaters often win. Okay, moving on.

The issue for me is that in that quest for the gold, a lot of people do seem to be willing to do anything to achieve, like you said above. Do I admire people with high aspirations? Of course. But I don’t think cheating is the right way to get you there. For example, athletes using steroids in competitions to win? Marion Jones? Is it fair for athletes who give themselves an unfair, forbidden advantage to triumph over athletes who spend months, years training and training and training to achieve their dreams? You say that cheating doesn’t hurt anyone. What about that person who is naturally better or better through harder work than another person? The other person cheats to get to the top, even though he/she doesn’t deserve that, because he/she isn’t actually the best.
Unlike you, I have a lot more respect for people who achieve their dreams through honest means and their own personal skill and hard work. Those people SHOULD get pats on the backs. And pie.

For me, the fact that there are people - and even you yourself said this - who will do ANYTHING to get to the top alarms me. Where’s the line? How far would they go to reach the top? Competition is ridiculously crazy these days. It’s sad how people “NEED” to cheat because they NEED to be valedictorian. I’m sure those people force other people to cheat too. And that’s also sad. God, what’s happened to this world?