Odds at Goldman--very bad

<p>Yea I'll agree a few schools give you a much better chance, but realistically I'm trying to do most of these kids a favor.</p>

<p>Ross is a target, but that 40% might be misleading.</p>

<p>First of all, it's according to how many people responded to the career survey, so everything is self-reported material. Of course we can assume that a good number out of the 350 graduates did the survey, and most probably answered as accurately as possible. But still, the 40% is not 40% of students but rather 40% of respondents.</p>

<p>Second of all (and more importantly), many jobs can be classified as "investment banking" that actually aren't traditionally IB. And it can be anywhere in the world. Just look through the Ross job database (search by "finance-investment banking") or postings on Vault or Doostang for "investment banking" and you'll know what I mean. You'll see a list of random firms/positions. The real % we need to know is % going into a BB (or top boutique) in NYC as an IB analyst, eliminating firms and positions (and probably even locations) that don't traditionally count.</p>

<p>I know a Ross student who graduated in 2004. He went to GS. He said only one other person that year became an analyst in IB in NYC. The rest were non-IB positions and/or not in NYC. I'll try to get more details on that, but that's what he said.</p>

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First of all, it's according to how many people responded to the career survey, so everything is self-reported material. Of course we can assume that a good number out of the 350 graduates did the survey, and most probably answered as accurately as possible. But still, the 40% is not 40% of students but rather 40% of respondents.

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<p>This is true. Most grads will respond to the survey (heard it was ~90%), but you have to take the number with a grain of salt. </p>

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<p>I was talking about investment banking as a whole in response to Dawgie's statement about investment banking job prospects in general. The answer to this would be useful, but doesn't really pertain to what I was talking about. BB analysts in the IBD division of the NYC offices are not the only investment bankers.</p>

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I know a Ross student who graduated in 2004. He went to GS. He said only one other person that year became an analyst in IB in NYC. The rest were non-IB positions and/or not in NYC. I'll try to get more details on that, but that's what he said.

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<p>Considering goldman only took four grads in 2004, that is very possible. The others were probably in S&T and/or the Chicago office (god forbid!).</p>

<p>mckinsey has internships. recruited a couple of kids in my school last year.</p>

<p>McKinsey interships are located inside your school? Cool!</p>

<p>Ok, the 4 going to GS clears up a lot. I was wondering about that myself. Then it makes sense in that context.</p>

<p>You mention "investment banking as a whole" and that's okay, but when most people say they want investment banking, they're not talking about being an IB analyst at W.Y Campbell & Co. in Detroit or Stout Rissius Ross in Farmington Hills or National City bank, etc. The 40% includes ALL of those types of firms, which is misleading. It doesn't mean 2 out of 5 people will make it big in IB (i.e. BB firm or top boutique) like the statistic makes you want to think. Talk to the juniors and seniors. They'll tell you all about the interviews they couldn't get and the interviews they got but couldn't "pass," for lack of a better word. IB is a tough field, and you're in for some competition for the TOP IB jobs. That's all I was saying.</p>

<p>I should clarify, I am talking about getting into BB's.</p>

<p>Oh then yeah, it's tough for anyone to land a job at a BB in NYC. Not impossible, especially at a target, but definitely tough.</p>

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<p>Regarding this, however, I will say: Speak for yourself buddy haha.</p>

<p>It's CC. Every ambitious overachiever lurks on the business forum. Our chances of making IB are better than the general public's.</p>

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<p>All I know is 21% of Ross grads go to BBs (73/350).</p>

<p>I currently intern at the The Monitor Group, a top 5 consulting firm, and I can tell you one thing: CONNECTIONS, CONNECTIONS, CONNECTIONS. You absolutely HAVE to have good networking skills if you want to do consulting. I go to NYU CAS, and I was chosen over several ivy league students because of my network.</p>

<p>I assume it's the same for banking.</p>

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Haha you are trying to get into IBanking, have fun failing. I wouldn't even want to get into IBanking even if I got in. For people with no life.</p>

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Haha you are trying to get into IBanking, have fun failing. I wouldn't even want to get into IBanking even if I got in. For people with no life.

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<p>Dawgie, it seems you have been on a warpath ever since your profession got bashed in the ibanking vs accounting thread. Ease up buddy.</p>

<p>Whatever thread you are talking about, I don't even recall what was being argued there so obviously that's not the reason. I could careless about which career is better. Honestly, that's all subjective to the individual. Truth is 98% of you aren't getting in.</p>

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Truth is 98% of you aren't getting in.

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<p>Yeah, if we all went to bentley.</p>

<p>jnpn, whats your work experience, leadership positions, and gpa? The few I knew had 3.95+ GPA's, president of investment clubs, 2-3 relevant internships in finance. Either/or, I'm curious what you have going for you.</p>

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Haha you are trying to get into IBanking, have fun failing. I wouldn't even want to get into IBanking even if I got in. For people with no life.

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<p>Actually no, banking is of no interest to me. It would also not be that difficult for me either. Not to mention I already gotten a foot into better places (buyside).</p>

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The few I knew had 3.95+ GPA's, president of investment clubs, 2-3 relevant internships in finance. Either/or, I'm curious what you have going for you.

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<p>Thats the difference between attending a target and a non-target. If that person went to a target and had even a modicum of social ability, s/he could generate offers. S/he would actually be overqualified for banking...not that that would stop the person for worrying anyhow.</p>

<p>Being at a target is one thing, but overqualified? What are your credentials? You seem to have it all.</p>

<p>Dawgie, I think mahras pretty much summed up my answer with this:</p>

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<p>Mahras, did you go straight to PE?</p>