Question about race and admissions

Newjack88
Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:42:29 +0000

k&s:

While it is true that Asian-Ams have the highest median household income, this is in part due to many Asian-Am households having a no. of persons contributing to the household income.

In terms of individual median income – all of the major Asian ethnic groups have LOWER median incomes than white Americans ($23,600) w/ the exception of Indian-Americans ($26,000; due to the large % of immigrants w/ skilled backgrounds such as medicine or IT) and Japanese-Americans ($26,000; who are for the most part 3rd, 4th or 5th gen).

Plus Asian-American males have a LOWER median income than white American males w/ the same education level

Furthermore, only 15% of white Americans have less than a HS education level. Contrast that w/ a 52% rate for Hmong/Laotians/Cambodians, 38% for Viets, 23% for Chinese, etc.

where did you get your information from?



It’s not irrelevant since schools consider diversity beyond race (culture, religion, geographic dviversity, etc.).

schools do not actively seek religious diversity. the fact that there is religious diversity on campuses is a consequence of colleges actively seeking to create racially diverse student bodies.



I’m afraid your logic needs a bit of help. 46% of ALL Asian-Am students attending higher education consists of students attending community college. It’s really not that hard to surmise that Hmong, etc. don’t consist of the majority of Asian-American university/college students due to their overall lack in nos.

that’s not true at all. African American males make up a small percentage of males in the general population yet they make up a more than significant percentage of males in jail. it’s entirely possible that most of those Asian-Am attending community colleges are Hmong, etc.



Plus, who’s saying that blacks or non-white Hispanics should be left out?

i thought you and all of the other anti-Affirmative Action people were…



I don’t know where you are getting your info. from, but it totally flies in face w/ what the US Census data reports (and if anything, Jews would be hurt the most).

hey big guy, i never said Asians would be “hurt” the most. i was trying to point out that Asians (the ones applying Harvard/Princeton/etc.) would be more “disadvantaged” than they are now.



Plus, a “socio-economic test” would still involve applicants from the same socio-economic level to battle it out w/ respect to grades, scores, ECs, etc.

colleges already do what you are talking about. the point of the holistic process is to assess your achievement in the context of the opportunities you were provided.

when people talk about socioeconomic AA, they essentially mean considering the applicant’s family’s income, which is pretty useless since it doesn’t tell you what sorts of opportunities were actually available to the applicant.



Just b/c there are more poor whites overall - doesn’t mean that they will automatically see the most benefit.

there are more whites in every socioeconomic class, so, yes, they would benefit the most.



And oh, 9% of white Americans live in poverty.

Compare that to 22% for Hmong/Cambodians/Laotians, 14% for Viets, 16% for Koreans and 13% for Chinese (even 8% of Indians live in poverty).

what matters is the poverty rate for Asians as a whole, which is 11.8%.

there are 221.3 million white Americans and 13.1 million Asians.
apply the rates and you find that there are 1,545,800 Asians living in poverty versus 19,917,000 whites living in poverty.