Question about race and admissions

k_amp_s
Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:16:10 +0000

just want to point out, though, that Asians are also by far the wealthiest of all the ethnic groups in the US.



Not necessarily – and just to clarify, Asians are a racial group made up of many ethnicities.

While it is true that Asian-Ams have the highest median household income, this is in part due to many Asian-Am households having a no. of persons contributing to the household income.

In terms of individual median income – all of the major Asian ethnic groups have LOWER median incomes than white Americans ($23,600) w/ the exception of Indian-Americans ($26,000; due to the large % of immigrants w/ skilled backgrounds such as medicine or IT) and Japanese-Americans ($26,000; who are for the most part 3rd, 4th or 5th gen).

Plus Asian-American males have a LOWER median income than white American males w/ the same education level

Furthermore, only 15% of white Americans have less than a HS education level. Contrast that w/ a 52% rate for Hmong/Laotians/Cambodians, 38% for Viets, 23% for Chinese, etc.

I would bet that the figures for Jewish Americans are significantly higher (or lower) than that for white Americans overall.



this is irrelevant, since “Jew” is not an ethnicity. racial/ethnic diversity is a legitimate goal but i doubt religious diversity is one.



It’s not irrelevant since schools consider diversity beyond race (culture, religion, geographic dviversity, etc.). Admissions officials have used cultural diversity as a reason to justify the % of African immigrant students comprising such a high % of black students (40%) at Ivy League universities, and despite, already being “overrepresented” by Jews in the student body (in relation to the pop.), schools like USC (and others) have hired admissions officials to increase the % of Jewish students.

If Jews are simply “white” – why was there a need for schools like USC to actively recruit more Jewish students (nevermind that they were already “overrepresented”).

Besides, Jews are an ethnicity (separate from the religion) and can even be further divided into sub-groups of Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardi Jews (among others). There are Arabs (including Palestinians), who are among the oldest Christians in the world. Similarly, there are ethnic Jews who have changed religions or have become wholely secular - but still consider themselves Jewish in the ethnic sense.



i don’t understand your logic. in order to make that claim that “There is no way that Hmong, Cambodians, etc. have enough demographic nos. to come close to making up the majority of the 46% of Asian students attending CC” you need to know the actual number of Asian students attending community colleges.



I’m afraid your logic needs a bit of help. 46% of ALL Asian-Am students attending higher education consists of students attending community college. It’s really not that hard to surmise that Hmong, etc. don’t consist of the majority of Asian-American university/college students due to their overall lack in nos.



Furthermore, if American universities are ultimately forced to admit only the highest stat students, resulting in college campuses composed of only one or two races…





Once again, who’s arguing that universities should be forced to admit only the highest stat students? This is the straw man that never gets put out. For whatever reason, it is next to impossible for supporters of racial preferences to comprehend that race-blind admissions need not be “highest stats only.”



Gee, I guess it must be PURE COINCIDENCE that Jews make up as high as 30% of the student body at Ivy League universities – which probably is around 50% of the white student body despite making up only 1.5% of the college age pop.

Plus, who’s saying that blacks or non-white Hispanics should be left out?

Diversity doesn’t mean that a college needs to be 60-70% white either.



lastly, i would like to point out that Asians would be severely hurt by socioeconomic AA due to the fact that they are the wealthiest ethnic group in this country. in addition, numerically, there are not very many poor/working class/lower middle class Asians. however, the opposite is true for Caucasians. under socioeconomic AA, Caucasians would benefit the most since, numerically, they make up most of the country’s poor/working class/lower middle class people. if you can’t already tell, a socioeconomic AA policy would not help colleges achieve their goal of creating a racially diverse student.



I don’t know where you are getting your info. from, but it totally flies in face w/ what the US Census data reports (and if anything, Jews would be hurt the most).

Plus, a “socio-economic test” would still involve applicants from the same socio-economic level to battle it out w/ respect to grades, scores, ECs, etc.

Just b/c there are more poor whites overall - doesn’t mean that they will automatically see the most benefit.