"They got in because they're black"?

IAmTheGOAT
Tue, 25 Nov 2014 01:38:41 +0000

@austinmshauri Reverse discrimination is when you intend to prevent discrimination for one group, but in that process, actually end up discriminating another group.

@madaboutx Let me build off of what you stated first: the Warren Buffet example. As far as I comprehended, you are comparing Warren Buffet to the Asian population, and the others to black people. This is wrong on so many levels. He earned his spot to say that and much more, just as Asians coincidentally earned their spots to come in where they are, and why would it matter if the general public cannot empathize with him? If there is something wrong in the system that affects him, he has all the rights to fight against it. I’m not saying this to glorify Asians. I am saying this to show you that people earn their value. To brand a person based on his race is foolish. It sounds like you are saying that since you are black, you deserve to get more representation, regardless of what your actual accomplishments.

As far as I am concerned, I do not even want to see any statistics whatsoever, but since you brought it up, the only school I know of that has a significant number of Asians in Caltech, according to a statistical graph on Asian population percentages for colleges. Most of the people in those top colleges are actually white.

In addition, I think you might find this piece pretty enlightening. The discrimination against Asians in college admissions processes regarding Asian quotas is comparable to the discrimination Jewish people had in the 1920s and 1930s with Jewish quotas in elite colleges. At the time, nobody wanted to agree to it, but now, it is a widely accepted fact. Whether you want to accept it or not, it is happening, and I am just expressing my dislike for that.

When did I ever say that the admissions process is based solely on numbers? Never. You are pulling words out of my mouth to try and prove a point. I thought I even implied that the college process is pretty holistic by agreeing with you on my last post. Let my try putting this in a different way to you. Answer these few questions truthfully in your own head, and you can post it here if you feel like it.

1) Are you going to be honest to yourself here?
2) What are the two most important parts of your application?
3) How many Asians who are not legacy, recruited athletes, or anything else “special”, have you heard of who got into a top-20 school with a 2000 SAT?
4) How many URMs who are not legacy, recruited athletes, or anything else “special”, have you heard of who got into a top-20 school with a 2000 SAT?
5) Imagine a situation wherein I am Asian, and someone else were a URM. Now, both of us have the exact same stats, same activities, and leadership positions and all that other good stuff. What’s more, we both have equally splendid essays that the admissions officers liked equally. There is one spot left, only one. Who do you think they will pick, and why?

I have another thing to say if you are not yet convinced. Harvard has recently been criticized for having a certain quota for accepting Asian students. Oh, my! I wonder why one of the premier institutes of learning would ever do such a thing as limit the number of students accepted based on ethnicity in such a wonderfully nondiscriminatory world!

I am, too, open to persuasion. In fact, I will be grateful to you if you could just convince me that ethnicity is not at all a factor in college admittance processes.