Who else opposes race-based affirmative action?

borkborkbork
Thu, 22 Jul 2010 03:30:53 +0000

Maybe I should quote next time:



goingmeta:

It’s not strange that you talk about others’ scholarships with counselors–nope not at all.

Though, I’m almost certain you made that tidbit about the guidance counselor up. Counselors don’t release information like that to other students.



You assume things; I said “the GCs have verified this,” and then you start mentioning how this relates to me making things up because guidance counselors don’t release that info. You’ve expanded on “verification” while ignoring the issue of race-based affirmative action. You constantly try to debate the definitions of words I use to make how I get the information as “dubious.”

Other Examples:



goingmeta:

Oh God! Diversity? Watch out!

ps: it’s not an even distribution of races.





goingmeta:

It’s discriminatory, but how is it racist?





goingmeta:

How is it “our business” since “they they are usually ranked best in the nation”? I can only assume that’s what you meant with the ellipses.



You are saying that affirmative action really doesn’t have much of an impact:



goingmeta:

Let me ask you something: do you deny the fact that there are whites and Asians in prestigious universities who “don’t deserve to be there at all”?



Where is your proof? How significant is this? Isn’t this a bit off topic?



goingmeta:

Have you ever considered that it might be beneficial to have different points of view in an academic setting? And maybe, just maybe, different races have something, namely a different point of view, to offer in such an institution?



Okay, name the benefits.



goingmeta:

What I find hilarious though, is that you just drop this link in the middle of your post and behave as though you’ve just presented incontrovertible data that discredits everything I’ve said. No–this is an article from a conservative-slant media outlet, and ironically, it too is biased. What are the groups they’re looking at? White Christians and ethnic Catholics. Gee, I wonder why? Just because the link became popular on this forum doesn’t mean its assessment is all the more valid.



The website I provided, despite its conservative background isn’t all biased. There are many other websites that will show similar statistics. I’m not basing this solely on one website. Do the googling yourself.

Why should race have any preference in academics? How does affirmative action help? How is it necessary? You haven’t answered any of these questions.

I said that race-based affirmative action gives certain people an unfair advantage. Throughout this entire thread, you have been more pro-affirmative action.

Isn’t this a bit contradictory?



Let me ask you something: do you deny the fact that there are whites and Asians in prestigious universities who “don’t deserve to be there at all”?





I’m not denying that affirmative action gives advantages to minorities in university admission (that is what the link is primarily focused on).



Throughout this entire thread, I’ve been trying to prove how its unfair to hard-working students in general, in a country that is supposed to be a meritocracy. You simply haven’t justified how it is fair. Instead you try to focus on how “dubious” my comments are, that it’s discriminatory and not racist, which colleges are considered elite, that it isn’t exactly an equal representation, etc.



Because the university is a separate entity and doesn’t care about your sense of entitlement? “I worked hard, therefore I deserve a position in this institution” isn’t how things work no matter how much you dream it to be the case.



Yes, obviously, that’s not how things work. You only proved affirmative action’s existence. How is that fair when they receive federal funding, and are known to be the best in the world? Please don’t go into how reliable those rankings are.